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jwrtoday at 7:57 AM4 repliesview on HN

The title of this submission is misleading, that's not what they're saying. They said it doesn't show productivity gains for inexperienced developers still gaining knowledge.


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visargatoday at 8:04 AM

The study measures if participants learn the library, but what they should study is if they learn effective coding agent patterns to use the library well. Learning the library is not going to be what we need in the future.

> "We collect self-reported familiarity with AI coding tools, but we do not actually measure differences in prompting techniques."

Many people drive cars without being able to explain how cars work. Or use devices like that. Or interact with people who's thinking they can't explain. Society works like that, it is functional, does not work by full understanding. We need to develop the functional part not the full understanding part. We can write C without knowing the machine code.

You can often recognize a wrong note without being able to play the piece, spot a logical fallacy without being able to construct the valid argument yourself, catch a translation error with much less fluency than producing the translation would require. We need discriminative competence, not generative.

For years I maintained a library for formatting dates and numbers (prices, ints, ids, phones), it was a pile of regex but I maintained hundreds of test cases for each type of parsing. And as new edge cases appeared, I added them to my tests, and iterated to keep the score high. I don't fully understand my own library, it emerged by scar accumulation. I mean, yes I can explain any line, but why these regexes in this order is a data dependent explanation I don't have anymore, all my edits run in loop with tests and my PRs are sent only when the score is good.

Correctness was never grounded in understanding the implementation. Correctness was grounded in the test suite.

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concatstoday at 8:06 AM

I agree. It's very missleading. Here's what the authors actually say:

> AI assistance produces significant productivity gains across professional domains, particularly for novice workers. Yet how this assistance affects the development of skills required to effectively supervise AI remains unclear. Novice workers who rely heavily on AI to complete unfamiliar tasks may compromise their own skill acquisition in the process. We conduct randomized experiments to study how developers gained mastery of a new asynchronous programming library with and without the assistance of AI. We find that AI use impairs conceptual understanding, code reading, and debugging abilities, without delivering significant efficiency gains on average. Participants who fully delegated coding tasks showed some productivity improvements, but at the cost of learning the library. We identify six distinct AI interaction patterns, three of which involve cognitive engagement and preserve learning outcomes even when participants receive AI assistance. Our findings suggest that AI-enhanced productivity is not a shortcut to competence and AI assistance should be carefully adopted into workflows to preserve skill formation -- particularly in safety-critical domains.

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omnicognatetoday at 8:06 AM

I agree the title should be changed, but as I commented on the dupe of this submission learning is not something that happens as a beginner, student or "junior" programmer and then stops. The job is learning, and after 25 years of doing it I learn more per day than ever.

emsigntoday at 8:24 AM

> They said it doesn't show productivity gains for inexperienced developers still gaining knowledge.

But that's what "impairs learning" means.

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