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HendrikHensenyesterday at 7:36 PM2 repliesview on HN

I think this is a strange, and honestly worrying, stance.

Just because there are worse problems, doesn't mean we shouldn't care about less-worse problems (this is a logical fallacy, I think it's called relative privation).

Further, there is an extremely limited number of problems that I, personally, can have any impact on. That doesn't mean that problems that I don't have any impact on, are not problems, and I couldn't worry about.

My country is being filled up with data centers. Since the rise of LLMs, the pace at which they are being built has increased tremendously. Everywhere I go, there are these huge, ugly, energy and water devouring behemoths of buildings. If we were using technology only (or primarily) for useful things, we would need maybe 1/10th of the data centers, and my immediate living environment would benefit from it.

Finally, the site could perhaps be run on a Raspberry Pi. But the site itself is not the interesting part, it's the LLMs using it.


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observationistyesterday at 8:28 PM

I don't think it's odd at all- having taken a deep look at the potential impact and problems surrounding AI, including training and datacenters, I've come to the conclusion that they're about as trivial and low ranking a problem as deciding what color seatbelts should be in order to optimize driving safety. There are so many more important things to attend to - by all means, do the calculus yourself, and be honest about consumed resources and environmental impacts, but also include benefits and honest economics, and assess the cost/benefit ratio for yourself. Then look at the potential negatives, and even in a worst case scenario, these aren't problems that overwhelm nearly any other important thing to spend your time worrying about, or even better, attempting to fix.

oneshot2150yesterday at 8:19 PM

It’s odd that people seem to be so against the AI slop in particular, because energy and water and whatnot. I’m fairly sure video games eat a lot more power than AI slop and are just as useless. So is traveling - do people truly need to fly 3000 miles just to see some mountains? Why do people demand food they like when you’d survive just fine off of legumes and water?

> Everywhere I go, there are these huge, ugly, energy and water devouring behemoths of buildings.

Everywhere you go? Really?

The water consumption is minor, btw. Electricity is more impactful but you’d achieve infinitely more advocating for renewables rather than preaching at people about how they’re supposed to live in mudhuts.

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