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tiranttoday at 12:01 PM4 repliesview on HN

I would say there’s even less chance nowadays to generate a fully private set of European alternatives to American cloud offerings.

Europes bureaucratization and the growth of the size of states has increased the last 10 years. I have less and less hope that we’re able to set the right free market conditions for real competition to happen.

That doesn’t mean that won’t be alternatives to American offerings, but most probably will come from somewhere else (Singapore, China, Taiwan…)


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embedding-shapetoday at 12:04 PM

> set the right free market conditions for real competition to happen

Just as a curiosity, what exactly are those "right free market conditions" and where have those been successfully implemented before? Because I think most of us (Europeans) are desperately trying to avoid replicating the American experiment, so if that's the "right free market conditions" I think we're trying to avoid those on purpose.

But maybe you're thinking of some other place, then I'm eager ears to hear what worked elsewhere :)

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azan_today at 12:33 PM

Ok, but it's not like nothing was done after Draghi report - EU formed at least 5 committees and commissioned multiple think-tanks to develop reports about possible development of the pathway to the programme that will work on bureaucracy and overregulation.

deauxtoday at 1:00 PM

> Europes bureaucratization and the growth of the size of states has increased the last 10 years.

None of these things matter. They're trivially set aside. All that matters is how many insane threats the US Gov keeps making. Hopefully as many as possible. This is what creates demand, and from demand, everything else follows automatically.

Like, how can you not see this based on recent events? I'm willing to bet a house that in Feb 2026 there will be much more relative movement from US to EU clouds than in Feb 2015. Despite all of that "increased bureaucracy".

pjmlptoday at 1:44 PM

You mean late scale capitalism that treats employees like serfs?