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Autonomous cars, drones cheerfully obey prompt injection by road sign

94 pointsby breveyesterday at 8:48 PM69 commentsview on HN

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randycupertinoyesterday at 11:16 PM

> In a new class of attack on AI systems, troublemakers can carry out these environmental indirect prompt injection attacks to hijack decision-making processes.

I have a coworker who brags about intentionally cutting off Waymos and robocars when he sees them on the road. He is "anti-clanker" and views it as civil disobedience to rise up against "machines taking over." Some mornings he comes in all hyped up talking about how he cut one off at a stop sign. It's weird.

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uxhackeryesterday at 11:05 PM

The study assumes that the car or drone is being guided by a LLM. Is this a correct assumption? I would thought that they use custom AI for intelligence.

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cucumber3732842yesterday at 10:33 PM

One year in my city they were installing 4-way stop signs everywhere based on some combination of "best practices" and "screeching Karens". Even the residents don't like them in a lot of places so over time people just turn the posts in the ground or remove them.

Every now and the I'll GPS somewhere and there will be a phatom stop sign in the route and I chuckle to myself because it means the Google car drove through when one of these signs was "fresh".

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_diyaryesterday at 9:39 PM

Are any real world self-driving models (Waymo, Tesla, any others I should know?) really using VLM?

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lifeisstillgoodtoday at 12:14 AM

To me this is just one more pillar underlying my assumption that self driving cars that can be left alone on same roads as humans is a pipe dream.

Waymo might have taxis that work in nice daytime streets (but with remote “drone operators”). But dollars to doughnuts someone will try something like this on a waymo taxi the minute it hits reddit front page.

The business model of self driving cars does not include building seperated roadways and junctions. I suspect long distance passenger and light loads are viable (most highways can be expanded to have one or more robo-lanes) but cities are most likely to have drone operators keeping things going and autonomous systems for handling loss of connection etc. the business models are there - they just don’t look like KITT - sadly

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joetltoday at 1:00 AM

Regarding some other comments, VLMs are a component of VLAs. So even if this won’t directly impact this generation of vehicles, it almost certainly will for robotics without sufficient mitigations.

https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/updating-classifier-evasio...

rfw300yesterday at 9:44 PM

Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1958/

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6stringmercyesterday at 11:39 PM

That’s some hot CHAI right there very clever and primitive combination, well done as more research for the community.

bijantyesterday at 11:11 PM

The Register stooping this low is the only surprise here. I'm quite critical of Teslas approach to level 3+ autonomy but even I wouldn't dare suggest that there vision based approach amounted to bolting GPT-4o or some other VLLM to their cars to orient them in space and make navigation decisions. Fake News like this makes interacting with people who have no domain knowledge and consider The Register, UCLA and Johns Hopkins to be reputable institutions and credible sources more stressful to me as I'll be put into a position to tell people that they have been misled or go along with their delusions...