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themafiayesterday at 9:24 PM3 repliesview on HN

> We aren't going to remove the security state

What security state? They aren't doing this for anyone's safety. This is the surveillance and parallel construction state.

> What needs to happen is accountability.

No agency can have this power and remain accountable. Warrants are not an effective tool for managing this. Courts cannot effectively perform oversight after the fact.

> The only way to stop the rampant abuse is to treat data like fire.

You've missed the obvious. You should really go the other direction. Our devices should generate _noise_. Huge crazy amounts of noise. Extraneous data to a level that pollutes the system beyond any utility. They accept all this data without filtering. They should suffer for that choice.


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ruszkiyesterday at 9:37 PM

> They aren't doing this for anyone's safety.

Strictly speaking, this is not completely true. When you call an emergency number, it’s very good that they can see exactly where you are. That was how this was sold 15+ years ago. But of course, that’s basically the only use case when this should be available.

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TheCraiggersyesterday at 9:31 PM

> Our devices should generate _noise_. Huge crazy amounts of noise. Extraneous data to a level that pollutes the system beyond any utility. They accept all this data without filtering. They should suffer for that choice.

I like the idea on principle, but I'll like it far less when I'm getting charged with computer fraud or some other over-reaching bullshit law.

heraldgeezeryesterday at 11:02 PM

You people are so cynical.

Its simply made for 911 calls.

In the 2G era there was no compute space to just put in extra evil shit for fun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_resource_location_servic...

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