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trimethylpurineyesterday at 9:51 PM3 repliesview on HN

I'm familiar with this theory and on some issues maybe it's relevant but what I'm referring to here is that Democrats today still seem to be in agreement with Democrats of old on the topic of whether the founders meant to abolish slavery.

Republicans say they absolutely did, just as they always have.

Democrats say they absolutely didn't, just as they always have.

I would argue that realignment occurred geographically, not on the basis of morality. Under slavery, the southern states were rich and mostly Democrats, now the northern states are more largely rich and leaning Democrat. That's to be expected, I think, where the wealthy wouldn't enjoy the new found poverty of the southern states as they rebuilt after the war, and would take their ideals with them. But that's just my guess, I don't have any research to substantiate that. Maybe it's an interesting topic for research.

Similarly, the stance on issues of whether people are naturally born inferior and deserving of special treatment, good or bad, remains a largely Democrat ideology, just as it always has.

Republicans on the other hand argue that all man is created equal not equitable, and they used that rhetoric to free slaves, stop Jim Crow era horrors, etc. And they continue to use it to argue against race based government aid.

So on these specific topics, I don't see any realignment as objectively observed.

All of this was and is documented in many SCOTUS cases, old and new.


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_heimdalltoday at 12:16 AM

Are you claiming that the party alignment hasn't switched over time?

I expect that everyone would agree Alabama is a very conservative state. It was voted solid Democrat until the late 80s, at which point the state went republican along with any elected politicians that stayed in office.

If I'm not mistaken, Richard Shelby was elected as a democrat in the early or mid 80s before being the last elected official to switch to the republican party. He stayed in office for decades and had state university buildings named after him.

The voting opinions largely didn't change over that time, only the party name they were voting for.

raw_anon_1111yesterday at 10:58 PM

Then why in 1896 did the Supreme Court uphold “Separate But Equal”?

The Republican President just said that Hatians are eating pets and starting a civil war in MN to get rid of brown people.

Not to mention how he is inviting White people only from South Africa to come over.

Lyndon Johnson - a Republican - said after the Civil Rights Act that “the Republicans have lost the South for two generations”.

But Southern Democrats were literally “Democrats in name only” with Zell Miller the current governor of GA at the time a Democrat speaking at and supporting the Republican President’s nominating convention

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Forgeties79yesterday at 10:27 PM

It is a theory in the same way gravity is. Both parties have experienced both gradual and sudden, major shifts and realignments throughout history. Most of the dispute is where and when these changes occurred and what constitutes them exactly. The changes clearly occur, usually over several decades but sometimes more quickly.

I’m still curious what your response is to my Strom Thurman question. It illustrates the entire point and marks one of the most recent major party realignments in the US.

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