> Yeah but again that’s all here on HN.

No, it’s not. I have just told you it’s not. Which is anecdotal, but also true. Do you not frequent other websites with nerds other than HN?

> I have plenty of friends who are not on HN and I haven’t heard anyone ever complain about these things.

Is your personal experience the only valid one? Are your friends the epitome of diversity of opinions? I don’t have any friends who are white supremacists, does that mean white supremacists don’t exist? Because I’m pretty sure they do, even in my country. All of us live in bubbles to an extent, you have simply bumped into another boundary of yours.

Do a web search for Apple Wallet F1. Do you think all those people are on HN? They’re certainly complaining outside of it.