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noosphryesterday at 8:35 PM6 repliesview on HN

Whenever people say that MIT or GPL licenses are a good idea I point out projects like this.

Only humans should have freedom zero. Corporations and robots must pay.


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throw0101cyesterday at 10:29 PM

> Corporations and robots must pay.

Greenpeace is a (non-profit) corporation. Unions are corporations. Municipalities. Colleges and universities.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_person

Should they have to pay?

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sixtyjyesterday at 10:26 PM

The behavior of corporations is shameful.

After all, people in these companies don't work for free and are able to spend a lot of money for other services.

omoikaneyesterday at 9:27 PM

I am not sure sudo is licensed under MIT or GPL, looks it's like a mix of licenses[1]. The end of the first license says it's sponsored in part by DARPA.

From 2010 to February 2024, it was sponsored by Quest Software according to the history page[2].

[1] https://github.com/sudo-project/sudo/blob/main/LICENSE.md

[2] https://www.sudo.ws/about/history/

wmfyesterday at 8:57 PM

You can demand payment but it doesn't mean you'll get paid. These days companies will clone your work instead of paying.

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saubeidlyesterday at 9:26 PM

The GPL is a good idea. It's our socieconomic system that isn't.

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groby_byesterday at 8:48 PM

That's a nice slogan, but how does it work?

Say, I clone sudo. Clearly, a human applying freedom zero. I use it in my projects. Probably still freedom zero. I use it in my CI pipeline for the stuff that makes me money... corporation or human? If it's corporation, what if I sponsor a not-for-profit that provides that piece of CI infra?

The problem is that "corporation or not" has more shades than you can reasonably account for. And, worse, the cost of accounting for it is more than any volunteer wants to shoulder.

Even if this were a hard and legally enforceable rule, what individual maintainer wants to sue a company with a legal department?

What could work is a large collective that licenses free software with the explicit goal of extracting money from corporate users and distributing it to authors. Maybe.

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