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mrmuagiyesterday at 11:16 PM1 replyview on HN

I just was mainly motivated in replying to your accusation that the original poster couldn't read -- I feel like that claim is pretty disingenuous from the get-go and if I'm being accused of it, well, I'm in good company.

I don't even know what to reply to here, but I'm in general agreeance with most of what you wrote. I just don't agree users type "vim" alone their first time, I'd wager it's following some guide/tutorial online that already has 'vim filename.txt' snuck in there. The fact that people get stuck in vim feels like something intentional to weed out people, otherwise it's a funny problem people run into on other programs like ftp, ssh, screen, even the python interactive shell. There's no unified lexicon on cli tooling, except maybe the gnu clis. It makes you appreciate good GUIs.

The real big brain approach here is to divorce the idea of vim from the command line editor and use it as a plugin in an IDE. Best of both worlds.


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godelskitoday at 3:07 AM

  > There's no unified lexicon on cli tooling
While there isn't there is more than most people give credit to. It shouldn't be too much of a surprise giving cli people write cli tools getting inspiration from cli tools. I mean we can't even say there's a unifying language in the GUI space.

  > The real big brain approach here is to divorce the idea of vim from the command line editor and use it as a plugin in an IDE
Maybe I'll be convinced when a vim plugin or "vim bindings" represents something close to actual vim. I need a lot more than hjkl, gg, gG and such for movements. It's crazy how few even have H,M,L let alone <C-F>, <C-B>. I'm really surprised so many don't have / bit less surprised at * and the like. An ide giving me vim bindings needs to also give me :Ex, tabs, tags, and so on. I don't think I've ever seen a plugin give me :%s and I'd be really surprised if it gave me \\{-}.

I think there's a lot of confusion when it comes to vim. It's an editor. Editors aren't just for writing and the real power of vim is editing. It's a major bonus that I can do all this with less resource consumption that just a plugin

Frequently using vim bindings in plugins leads to me generating gibberish.

Frequently using vim bindings in plugins leads me to unintentionally closing windows