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paxysyesterday at 11:40 PM12 repliesview on HN

It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is.

"You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?"

"Well I don't have a Real ID."

"Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through."

So it was never about security at all then, was it?

And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and laptops.


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caseysoftwaretoday at 1:16 AM

> So it was never about security at all then, was it?

Never was.

I flew every other week prior to covid and haven't once been through the scanners. For the first ~6 years, I opted out and got pat down over and over again.

Then I realized I could even skip that.

Now at the checkpoint, I stand at the metal detector. When they wave me to the scanner, I say "I can't raise my arms over my head." They wave me through the metal detector, swab my hands, and I'm done. I usually make it through before my bags.

Sometimes, a TSA moron asks "why not?" and I simply say "are you asking me to share my personal healthcare information out loud in front of a bunch of strangers? Are you a medical professional?" and they back down.

Other times, they've asked "can you raise them at least this high?" and kind of motion. I ask "are you asking me to potentially injure myself for your curiosity? are you going to pay for any injuries or pain I suffer?"

The TSA was NEVER about security. It was designed as a jobs program and make it look like we were doing something for security.

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crazygringoyesterday at 11:49 PM

It may be many things, but I very much doubt the motivation is a money grab. A few people paying $45 isn't lining the pockets of some government official, or plugging a hole in any possible budget.

Dealing with the presence of travelers who haven't updated their driver's licenses requires a bunch of extra staff to perform the time-consuming additional verifications. The basic idea is for those staff to be paid by the people using them, rather than by taxpayers and air travelers more generally. As well as there being a small deterrent effect.

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hshdhdhj4444today at 2:58 AM

If the $45 is meant to be temporary, it can reasonably be looked as a fine to encourage people to get their RealID.

I don’t think the existence of the fine itself is necessarily evidence of a cash grab.

If it isn’t temporary and extends beyond a year or two, then it probably is just meant to be a cash grab.

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MattDamonSpacetoday at 3:13 AM

terrorists don’t have $45 each

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fhubtoday at 12:17 AM

My wife, who was on a H1B visa and managed to fly without an ID a few years back. They took her to some side room, asked a bunch of questions and looked her up based on name, DOB, address etc.

0x457today at 1:51 AM

Real ID is/was needed because every state has different requirements to get one.

The whole debate is hilarious, you need one or two extra documents to get RealID. The exact same amount of time and trips to DMV.

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mandeepjtoday at 12:51 AM

> And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and laptops.

It wasn't just pay for play! TSA-PreCheck and Global Entry approval requires a thorough background check of your residential, work, and travel history, also in-person interview. Unfortunately, some Privacy activists prefer not doing that over occasional convenience.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tsa+precheck+eligibility

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awilltoday at 12:22 AM

Let me just for one second give them the benefit of the doubt.

Could the $45 be a way to pay for some extra manual screening? Maybe? Or do they not deserve any benefit of the doubt.

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lingrush4today at 3:23 AM

$45 pays for the cost of a much more tedious identity verification process.

lateforworkyesterday at 11:43 PM

The $45 pays for extra checks and scrutiny.

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tokyobreakfasttoday at 12:33 AM

> Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and laptops.

Are these the same poor people that reputedly cannot get IDs to vote because of a government conspiracy to suppress their votes, yet can afford an airline ticket and commute to an airport?

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BryantDtoday at 12:21 AM

I am only guessing but I'd be surprised if it was a money grab. My instinct is that it's a way of highlighting RealID citizenship verification.

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