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Legend2440yesterday at 8:19 PM1 replyview on HN

Several issues with this:

1. Economic change drives social change. The political will to create something like UBI will not exist unless there is mass unemployment.

2. Right now we need people to work, in order to create the things they need to live. It will not be possible to allow willful unemployment until machines can actually do most jobs.

3. We don't actually know if 100% automation will happen. Past automation has tended to create new jobs, and we've maintained full employment at higher wages. We should see if this happens again before we start panicking.

We just have to jump ahead with automation and figure out the rest as we go.


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stego-techyesterday at 8:23 PM

> We just have to jump ahead with automation and figure out the rest as we go.

Get that accelerationist fatalism outta my face. Just because you personally have no qualms with harming others in the name of some facsimile of progress, doesn't mean it's the only option available to us. Slowing things down through regulations, through employment mandates, through pleas for cooperation instead of immediate replacement, all of those and more are ways of gradual reform and adaptation.

We're proposing letting the organism (humanity) adapt to traditional work and employment being wholesale eliminated in a society that demands work for basic survival through gradual and continuous reforms as circumstances change. Your proposal is the functional equivalent of telling an endangered species, "lol get gud bruv".

We are not the same.

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