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dangusyesterday at 11:06 PM8 repliesview on HN

only $200/mo…$200 a month is a used car payment.

I guarantee you that price will double by 2027. Then it’ll be a new car payment!

I’m really not saying this to be snarky, I’m saying this to point out that we’re really already in the enshittification phase before the rapid growth phase has even ended. You’re paying $200 and acting like that’s a cheap SaaS product for an individual.

I pay less for Autocad products!

This whole product release is about maximizing your bill, not maximizing your productivity.

I don’t need agents to talk to each other. I need one agent to do the job right.


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__turbobrew__today at 1:11 AM

$200/month is peanuts when you are a business paying your employees $200k/year. I think LLMs make me at least 10% more effective and therefore the cost to my employer is very worth it. Lots of trades have much more expensive tools (including cars).

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kesslernyesterday at 11:47 PM

Not saying $200/mo isn't a lot, but I think you're underestimating used car payments these days. The average US used car payment is above $500 now.

yomismoaquiyesterday at 11:58 PM

As company owner the math is simple:

If I pay $3k/month to a developer and a $200/month tool makes them 10% more productive I will pay it without thinking.

nlhyesterday at 11:40 PM

I pay $200/month, don’t come near the limits (yet), and if they raised the price to $1000/month for the exact same product I’d gladly pay it this afternoon (Don’t quote me on this Anthropic!)

If you’re not able to get US$thousands out of these models right now either your expectations are too high or your usage is too low, but as a small business owner and part/most-time SWE, the pricing is a rounding error on value delivered.

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meowfaceyesterday at 11:32 PM

I could write an essay about how almost everything you wrote either is extremely incorrect or is extremely likely to be incorrect. I am too lazy to, though, so I will just have to wait for another commenter to do the equivalent.

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bryanlarsentoday at 12:12 AM

That's one of 3 possible futures.

1. 1-3 LLM vendors are substantially higher quality than other vendors and none of those are open source. This is an oligarchy and the scenario you described will play out.

2. >3 LLM vendors are all high quality and suitable for the tasks. At least one of these is open source. This is the "commodity" scenario, and we'll end up paying roughly the cost of inference. This still might be hundreds per month, though.

3. Somewhere in between. We've got >3 vendors, but 1-3 of them are somewhat better than the others, so the leaders can charge more. But not as much more than they can in scenario #1.

Wowfunhappytoday at 1:29 AM

> I’m saying this to point out that we’re really already in the enshittification phase before the rapid growth phase has even ended. You’re paying $200 and acting like that’s a cheap SaaS product for an individual.

Traditional SaaS products don't write code for me. They also cost much less to run.

I'm having a lot of trouble seeing this as enshittification. I'm not saying it won't happen some day, but I don't think we're there. $200 per month is a lot, but it depends on what you're getting. In this case, I'm getting a service that writes code for me on demand.

buzzerbetrayedyesterday at 11:49 PM

If you can’t get $200 of value out of Claude Code Max, then you need to really step up your game. That’s user error.