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AmbroseBierceyesterday at 10:56 PM3 repliesview on HN

Europe should stop tolerating these sabotages and go to war with Russia and take advantage of their weakened military due to their war with Ukraine


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JumpCrisscrossyesterday at 11:54 PM

> Europe should stop tolerating these sabotages and go to war with Russia

Unnecessary. Just (a) pursue and seize its shadow fleet and (b) give Ukraine long-range weapons. (And radars so you can profile Russia's air defences.)

Russia is operating so comically outside its circle of competence, material constraints and international law that you don't even have to go kinetic to hurt it.

nayrocladeyesterday at 11:21 PM

NATO could certainly rollover the Russian army in a conventional war, but that was just as true before the Ukrainian war. The idea that Russia is/was a serious threat is a convenient fiction: It helps maintain Russia's image as a superpower, and it provides a justification for the existence of NATO and the associated military industrial complex that supports it.

What is true however, is that Russia does possess a huge arsenal of nuclear and other weapons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_des...

Despite Putin's posturing, Russia's never going to risk deploying them in a conflict with Ukraine. But in an actual war between NATO/Europe and Russia, with the regime facing an existential threat, then there's a very good chance they would. But even before it got to that point, the nature of the conflict itself would make nuclear escalation very likely. Both sides would be firing huge numbers of missiles, attempting to gain air superiority by wiping out the other's own missile launchers, radar bases, etc. With that many missiles flying, and stressed people and automated systems making split-second decisions, it's very likely that an error or miscalculation would result in an accidental nuclear strike, at which point it would be impossible to put the genie back in the bottle.

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ddorian43yesterday at 11:00 PM

will you go to the frontline?

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