> There's 0 actual instances (and I've been looking) where verbatim code has been spat out.

That’s not true. I’ve seen it happen and remember reports where it was obvious it happened (and trivial to verify) because the LLM reproduced the comments with source information.

Either way, plagiarism doesn’t require one to copy 100% verbatim (otherwise every plagiarist would easily be off the hook). It still counts as plagiarism if you move a space or rename a variable.

https://xcancel.com/DocSparse/status/1581461734665367554

https://xcancel.com/mitsuhiko/status/1410886329924194309

> We need to do better.

I agree. We have to start by not dismissing valid criticisms by appealing to irrelevant technicalities which don’t excuse anything.