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jerfyesterday at 3:19 PM7 repliesview on HN

Yes, because governments are so restrained in their use of propaganda.

What it is is the consequence of the power existing. 200 years ago nobody was arguing about how to hook people in the first 0.2 seconds of video, but it's not because nobody would have refused the power it represents if offered. They just couldn't have it. It's humans. People want this power over you. All of them.


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pluralmonadyesterday at 3:52 PM

To be fair, it is basically one and the same. I doubt most people railing against capitalism are actually against private property. They probably dislike corporatism which only exists as an extension of the government. Very very few of us voluntarily gave up our right to hold people personally responsible for their actions, but this is forced on everyone on behalf of business interests. The corporate vale is materialized from government alone.

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ffsm8yesterday at 3:26 PM

Well adjusted people so not want that power over other people

It's sociopaths and narcissists which want it.

And as Atlas667 pointed out, it's also a direct consequence from a capitalistic world view, where it has replaced your morals.

This is not in relationship to state propaganda. Multiple things can cause abhorrent behavior, and just because we've identified something as problematic doesn't inherently imply that other unrelated examples are any better.

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anonymarsyesterday at 3:54 PM

Who said anything about government? I thought it was humans and people?

measurablefuncyesterday at 6:27 PM

The system incentivizes seeking power by consolidating financial wealth. It doesn't have to be that way & this will eventually become obvious to everyone.

pstuartyesterday at 3:43 PM

> All of them.

At least an unhealthy amount of them. I have no desire to have power over people, except I would like it if my kids actually listened to me...

Atlas667yesterday at 6:20 PM

You didn't say anything.

People do have this power right now, they are called capitalists, they are a part of the tech/info/policing industry.

You don't have this control, I don't have this control. It's not humans in general, it's literally the capitalists. Right now, today. Try and "timelessly universalize" that.

It's the people who make money from this who want it.

I would rather that no one particular person or group of people have that much power, and I would rather help organize society to collectively and democratically decide what goes on with this tech but I guess that proudly makes me a communist.

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