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bee_rideryesterday at 7:20 PM5 repliesview on HN

This world where everybody’s very concerned with that “refined form” is annoying and exhausting. It causes discussions to become about speculative guesses about everybody else’s beliefs, not actual facts. In the end it breeds cynicism as “well yes, the belief is wrong, but everybody is stupid and believes it anyway,” becomes a stop-gap argument.

I don’t know how to get away from it because ultimately coordination depends on understanding what everybody believes, but I wish it would go away.


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ElevenLatheyesterday at 7:40 PM

IMO this is a symptom of the falling rate of profit, especially in the developed world. If truly productivity enhancing investment is effectively dead (or, equivalently, there is so much paper wealth chasing a withering set of profitable opportunities for investment), then capital's only game is to chase high valuations backed by future profits, which means playing the Keynesian beauty contest for keeps. This in turn means you must make ever-escalating claims of future profitability. Now, here we are in a world where multiple brand name entrepreneurs are essentially saying that they are building the last investable technology ever, and getting people to believe it because the alternative is to earn less than inflation on Procter and Gamble stock and never getting to retire.

If outsiders could plausibly invest in China, some of this pressure could be dissipated for a while, but ultimately we need to order society on some basis that incentivizes dealing with practical problems instead of pushing paper around.

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kelseyfrogyesterday at 7:39 PM

Or just play into the fact that it's a Keynesian Beauty Contest [1]. Find the leverage in it and exploit it.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_beauty_contest

legulereyesterday at 9:42 PM

On the other hand talking about those believes can also lead to real changes. Slavery used to be seen widely a necessary evil, just like for instance war.

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awesome_dudeyesterday at 8:54 PM

The "Silent Majority" - Richard Nixon 1969

"Quiet Australians" - Scott Morrison 2019

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nakedneuronyesterday at 8:23 PM

Isn't that how Bitcoin "works"?

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