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lostloginyesterday at 6:48 PM0 repliesview on HN

> As long as this remains true, UBI can never happen.

New Zealand pays a pension to everyone over 65, whether or not they are working. No means testing and little political will to move the age upward. About 25% of those over 65 work, and the percentage is growing.

There are multiple reasons this could be true (eg, limited savings forcing work). The lack of means testing obviously saves money and shenanigans working out who is entitled, though the ‘universal’ nature limited how much a needy recipient can get.

I argue this is a test case on UBI.