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keedatoday at 3:42 AM3 repliesview on HN

> These things are so hideously inefficient.

Quite the opposite, really. I did some napkin math for energy and water consumption, and compared to humans these things are very resource efficient.

If LLMs improve productivity by even 5% (studies actually peg productivity gains across various professions at 15 - 30%, and these are from 2024!) the resource savings by accelerating all knowledge workers are significant.

Simplistically, during 8 hours of work a human would consume 10 kWH of electricity + 27 gallons of water. Sped up by 5%, that drops by 0.5kWH and 1.35 gallons. Even assuming a higher end of resources used by LLMs, a 100 large prompts (~1 every 5 minutes) would only consume 0.25 kWH + 0.3 gallons. So we're still saving ~0.25 kWH + 1 gallon overall per day!

That is, humans + LLMs are way more efficient than humans alone. As such, the more knowledge workers adopt LLMs, the more efficiently they can achieve the same work output!

If we assume a conservative 10% productivity speed up, adoption across all ~100M knowledge work in the US will recoup the resource cost of a full training run in a few business days, even after accounting for the inference costs!

Additional reading with more useful numbers (independent of my napkin math):

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-76682-6

https://cacm.acm.org/blogcacm/the-energy-footprint-of-humans...


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wlesieutretoday at 3:59 AM

So with the AI is doing more of the work and you need less humans, what are you doing with the extra humans to eliminate their no-longer-productive resource consumption?

Saying “we can do the same work with less resource use” doesn’t mean resource consumption is reduced. You’ve just gone from humans using resources to humans using the same resources and doing less work, plus AI using more resources.

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danielblntoday at 3:54 AM

Do keep in mind that 1 large prompt every 5 minutes is not how e.g. coding agents are used. There it's 1 large prompt every couple of seconds.

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whattoday at 6:05 AM

How is a human consuming 27 gallons of water in an 8 hour work shift?

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