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max_yesterday at 3:17 PM4 repliesview on HN

My suspicion is that. These "exploits" are planted by spy agencies.

They don't appear there organically.


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kenferryyesterday at 4:17 PM

This kind of mental model only works if you think of things as made huge shadowy blobs, not people.

dyld has one principal author, who would 100% quit and go to the press if he was told (by who?) to insert a back door. The whole org is composed of the same basic people as would be working on Linux or something. Are you imagining a mass of people in suits who learned how to do systems programming at the institute for evil?

Additionally, do you work in tech? You don’t think bugs appear organically? You don’t think creative exploitation of bugs is a thing?

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zappbyesterday at 3:44 PM

This vastly overstates both the competence of spy agencies and of software engineers in general. When it comes to memory unsafe code, the potential for exploits is nearly infinite.

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bell-cotyesterday at 3:31 PM

Maybe sometimes? With how many bugs are normally found in very complex code, would a rational spy agency spend the money to add a few more? Doing so is its own type of black op, with plenty of ways to go wrong.

OTOH, how rational are spy agencies about such things?

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2OEH8eoCRo0yesterday at 3:35 PM

Some suspect that Apple secretly backs some of these spyware services. I've heard rumors about graykey but only rumors. Thoughts?

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