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movedxtoday at 4:38 AM1 replyview on HN

> This is similar to when HN thought Reddit's userbase was going to shrink after the API changes (it didn't) or when the internet thought Netflix was going to lose subscribers when they cracked down on account sharing (they grew, not shrank).

I don't think these are the wins you think they are.

The average user simply doesn't know any better, and likely isn't even aware of the API changes Reddit made. The user base didn't grow because of those changes: it's just no one cared. As more people come onto Reddit post-API-changes, their perception of normal differs from ours "who remember the good old days." The platform is growing because it's the central point at which everyone is gathering; the network effect is massive... that's not good, mate. That's the perfect platform to target with your political ads, designed to sway entire populations to your way of thinking.

Netflix cracking down and seeing growth on the platform was a win... for DRM. For publishers, producers, and studios. No one else won there, bro. The consumer was just forced to pay, that's all. Netflix won.

All that's really happening is the companies are finding ways of extracting more wealth from those out there who want to us their products and services. And I guess that's fine - that's the system we're in now - but it's not the "ha gottem!!" argument you think it is... it's actually more of a self-own, because you, me, and the other guy all got owned, son.

It's time to wake up, Mr Anderson: convenience at the scale of Reddit, Netflix, Discord, and more, can be a force for good, but it's not going to be. It's going to be a force for profits.

These are _bad_ services that aren't healthy. They keep you always connected; always on; and always drinking from the firehose.

And that's why we need slower, simpler offerings.


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Aurornistoday at 5:11 AM

> The average user simply doesn't know any better, and likely isn't even aware of the API changes Reddit made. The user base didn't grow because of those changes: it's just no one cared.

That was literally the point I was making.

The comment I was responding to was claiming people were leaving Discord en masse. They're not.

> No one else won there, bro. The consumer was just forced to pay, that's all. Netflix won.

How did this conversation get to the point where people paying for a service they use is considered some sort of massive loss? That's just... how businesses work.