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mark_l_watsonyesterday at 10:37 PM11 repliesview on HN

I have not run OpenClaw and similar frameworks because of security concerns, but I enjoy the author's success, good for him.

There are very few companies who I trust with my digital data and thus trust to host something like OpenClaw and run it on my behalf: American Express, Capital One, maybe Proton, and *maybe* Apple. I managed an AI lab team at Capital One and personally I trust them.

I am for local compute, private data, etc., but for my personal AI assistant I want something so bullet proof that I lose not a minute of sleep worrying about by data. I don't want to run the infrastructure myself, but a hybrid solution would also be good.


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jacquesmyesterday at 10:39 PM

AMEX, Capital One and Apple are not even close to the top of the list of companies that I would trust with my digital data.

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blksyesterday at 11:41 PM

Privacy aside, you can never trust an LLM with your data and trust it to do exactly what it was instructed to do.

iugtmkbdfil834today at 12:49 AM

You raised a good point I am now personally basically expecting to see this year ( next at the latest ). Some brave corporate will decide for millions of users to, uhh, liberate all users data. My money is not of that happening at Googles or OpenAIs of the world though. I am predicting it will be either be a bank or one of the data brokers.

With any luck, maybe this will finally be a bridge too fast, like what Amazon's superbowl ad did for surveillance conversation.

Aurornisyesterday at 11:00 PM

> There are very few companies who I trust with my digital data and thus trust to host something like OpenClaw and run it on my behalf: American Express, Capital One, maybe Proton, and maybe Apple. I managed an AI lab team at Capital One and personally I trust them.

I don't really understand what this has to do with the post or even OpenClaw. The big draw of OpenClaw (as I understand it) was that you could run it locally on your own system. Supposedly, per this post, OpenClaw is moving to a foundation and they've committed to letting the author continue working on it while on the OpenAI payroll. I doubt that, but it's a sign that they're making it explicitly not an OpenAI product.

OpenClaw's success and resulting PR hype explosion came from ignoring all of the trust and security guardrails that any big company would have to abide by. It would be a disaster of the highest order if it had been associated with any big company from the start. Because it felt like a grassroots experiment all of the extreme security problems were shifted to the users' responsibility.

It's going to be interesting to see where it goes from here. This blog post is already hinting that they're putting OpenClaw at arm's length by putting it into a foundation.

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vessenestoday at 2:03 AM

Well it’s not even just data, you have to trust actions taken if you want the assist to, you know, assist. I have been yoloing it and really enjoying it. Albeit from a locked off server.

internet2000yesterday at 11:22 PM

Sorry to pile on, but Capital One is an insane name to drop there.

shevy-javayesterday at 11:37 PM

You really trust them?

My trust does not extend that far.

lvl155yesterday at 11:26 PM

Sorry to break it to you but I would not trust any financial companies with my personal data. Simply because I’ve seen how they use data to build exploitive products in the past.

PlatoIsADiseaseyesterday at 11:20 PM

>Apple

Lol

Their marketing team got ya.

I aspire to be as good as Apple at marketing. Who knew 2nd or worse place in everything doesnt matter when you are #1 in marketing?

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jiveturkeytoday at 1:54 AM

sorry to say it, but C1 LOL. they don’t care at all about privacy! Don’t mistake your team for the company values.

throwjjjyesterday at 11:12 PM

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