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londons_exploretoday at 2:05 PM2 repliesview on HN

Smart manufacturers will sell 'hard drive futures'. Ie. "Give us $100/drive now for 100k drives for delivery in march 2028".

These contracts are then transferrable. The manufacturer can start work on a factory knowing they'll get paid to produce the drives.

If the AI boom comes to an end, the manufacturer is still going to get paid for their factory, and if the AI company wants to recoup costs they could try to sell those contracts back to the manufacturer for pennies on the dollar, who might then decide (if it is more profitable) to halt work on the factory - and either way they make money.


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infectotoday at 3:34 PM

Can you provide some solid examples of companies doing this in an industry with high capex? Yes futures exist but largely in commodity businesses. Because what you described sounds more like pre-purchase agreements which already exist. To have a futures market you would need investors and a product that is more of a commodity and not something highly engineered.

You are also forgetting that the payback period on a plant is not a single year, it will be over many years and most likely no buyer is wanting to arrange purchasing that far out.

I don’t see how what you described sounds is set in reality even for “smart manufacturers”.

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bluGilltoday at 3:18 PM

That only works out if there are enough investors willing to pay for those futures. If the new factory can make a billion drives but they only have 2 of those futures contracts sold (that is 200k drives) they don't build the factory. Remember too if they sell those contacts they are on the hook to deliver - if it is just investors they will accept the street value of 100k drives in 2028 but some of the people might be buyers demanding physical goods.

Every year a few farmers realize they are contracted to deliver more grain than they have in their bins and so have to buy some grain from someone else (often at a loss) just to deliver it. This isn't a common problem but it happens (most often the farmer is using their insurance payout to buy the grain - snip a very large essay on the complexities of this)