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thot_experimentyesterday at 10:26 PM2 repliesview on HN

Not true! Mistral is really really good, but I agree that there isn't a single decent open model from the USA.


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culiyesterday at 10:38 PM

Mistral is cool and I wish them success but it consistently ranks extremely low on benchmarks while still being expensive. Chinese models like DeepSeek might rank almost as low as Mistral but they are significantly cheaper. And Kimi is the best of both worlds with incredible benchmark results while still being incredibly cheap

I know things change rapidly so I'm not counting them out quite yet but I don't see them as a serious contender currently

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CamperBob2today at 4:33 AM

To be fair there are lots of worse models than OpenAI's GPT-OSS-120b. It's not a standout when positioned next to the latest releases from China, but prior to the current wave it was considered one of the stronger local models you can reasonably run.