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Why Your Load Balancer Still Sends Traffic to Dead Backends

25 pointsby singhsanjay12yesterday at 11:16 PM15 commentsview on HN

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dastbetoday at 3:42 AM

kind of right, kind of wrong

* for client-side load balancing, it's entirely possible to move active healthchecking into a dedicated service and have its results be vended along with discovery. In fact, more managed server-side load balancers are also moving healthchecking out of band so they can scale the forwarding plane independently of probes.

* for server-side load balancing, it's entirely possible to shard forwarders to avoid SPOFs, typically by creating isolated increments and then using shuffle sharding by caller/callee to minimize overlap between workloads. I think Alibaba's canalmesh whitepaper covers such an approach.

As for scale, I think for almost everybody it's completely overblown to go with a p2p model. I think a reasonable estimate for a centralized proxy fleet is about 1% of infrastructure costs. If you want to save that, you need to have a team that can build/maintain your centralized proxy's capabilities in all the languages/frameworks your company uses, and you likely need to be build the proxy anyways for the long-tail. Whereas you can fund a much smaller team to focus on e2e ownership of your forwarding plane.

Add on top that you need a safe deployment strategy for updating the critical logic in all of these combinations, and continuous deployment to ensure your fixes roll out to the fleet in a timely fashion. This is itself a hard scaling problem.

dotwaffletoday at 3:01 AM

I've never quite understood why there couldn't be a standardised "reverse" HTTP connection, from server to load balancer, over which connections are balanced. Standardised so that some kind of health signalling could be present for easy/safe draining of connections.

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AuthAuthtoday at 1:41 AM

It seems like passive is the best option here but can someone explain why one real request must fail? So the load balancer is monitoring for failed requests. If it receives one can it not forward the initial request again?

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singhsanjay12yesterday at 11:16 PM

I wrote this after seeing cases where instances were technically “up” but clearly not serving traffic correctly.

The article explores how client-side and server-side load balancing differ in failure detection speed, consistency, and operational complexity.

I’d love input from people who’ve operated service meshes, Envoy/HAProxy setups, or large distributed fleets — particularly around edge cases and scaling tradeoffs.

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