alt Hacker News> Code has always been expensive. Producing a few hundred lines of clean, tested code takes most software developers a full day or more. Many of our engineering habits, at both the macro and micro level, are built around this core constraint.
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> Writing good code remains significantly more expensive
I think this is a bad argument. Code was expensive because you were trying to write the expensive good code in the first place.
When you drop your standards, then writing generated code is quick, easy and cheap. Unless you're willing to change your standard, getting it back to "good code" is still an equivalent effort.
There are alternative ways to define the argument for agentic coding, this is just a really really bad argument to kick it off.
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I was careful to say "Good code still has a cost" and "delivering good code remains significantly more expensive than [free]" rather than the more aesthetically pleasing "Good code is expensive.
I chose this words because I don't think good code is nearly as expensive with coding agents as it was without them.
You still have to actively work to get good code, but it takes so much less time when you have a coding agent who can do the fine-grained edits on your behalf.
I firmly believe that agentic engineering should produce better code. If you are moving faster but getting worse results it's worth stopping and examining if there are processes you could fix.
Code is cheaper. Simple code is cheap. More complex code may not be cheaper.
The reason you pay attention to details is because complexity compounds and the cheapest cleanup is when you write something, not when it breaks.
This last part is still not fully fleshed out.
For now. Is there any reason to not expect things to improve further?
Regardless, a lot of code is cheap now and building products is fun regardless, but I doubt this will translate into more than very short-term benefits. When you lower the bar you get 10x more stuff, 10x more noise, etc. You lower it more you get 100x and so on.
Computer programming is cheap. Software engineering is expensive.
I think the cost and work remains the same. What has change is efficiency. Previously people had to manually program byte after byte. Then came C and streamlined it, allowing faster development.
With python I can write a simple debugging UI server with a few lines.
There are frameworks that allow me to complete certain tasks in hours.
You do not need to program everything from scratch.
The more code, the faster everything gets, since the job is mostly done.
We are accelerating, but we still work 9 to 5 jobs.
Definitely the market incentives for "good code" have never been worse, but I'm wouldn't be so sure the cost of migrating decent pieces of generated code to good code is worse than writing good code from whole cloth.
Spaghetti code was always a thing though
In my experience, it’s even more effort to get good code with an agent-when writing by hand, I fully understand the rationale for each line I write. With ai, I have to assess every clause and think about why it’s there. Even when code reviewing juniors, there’s a level of trust that they had a reason for including each line (assuming they’re not using ai too for a moment); that’s not at all my experience with Codex.
Last month I did the majority of my work through an agent, and while I did review its work, I’m now finding edge cases and bugs of the kind that I’d never have expected a human to introduce. Obviously it’s on me to better review its output, but the perceived gains of just throwing a quick bug ticket at the ai quickly disappear when you want to have a scalable project.