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mghackerladyyesterday at 5:46 PM11 repliesview on HN

I'm adding this to my repertoire of HIGs to study for a new desktop environment project I'm working on. I'm trying to synthesize the best parts of every computer interaction method, primarily focusing on desktops but looking at mobile designs as well.

There are 2 principle reasons for this project: 1. UNIX desktops objectively suck compared to their Mac and Windows cousins, either being too complex to learn and bombarding the user with options (KDE, XFCE) or being so dumbed down and rigid to be actually usable (GNOME, to a lesser extend CDE) 2. I'm a massive fan of the GNU project and the way it designs software and none of the current desktops integrate well with it (EG: texinfo manuals, emacs-y keybinds, A wealth of customization if you want it but otherwise easy to pick up and use)


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reliumyesterday at 7:15 PM

The best book I've ever read on the topic was the classic Mac OS Human Interface Guidelines. I still recommend them even though some of the specifics are out-of-date.

https://dev.os9.ca/techpubs/mac/pdf/HIGuidelines.pdf

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cpetersoyesterday at 7:27 PM

If you haven't already, check out Microsoft's "The Windows® 95 User Interface: A Case Study in Usability Engineering" report summarizing some of the Windows 95 designers' user research:

https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/238386.238611

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cosmic_cheeseyesterday at 6:24 PM

I'll be keeping an eye out for your DE. For a long time now, the Linux desktop space as a whole has been rather uninspired in my opinion. A few interesting ideas have surfaced within it but failed to become popular for one reason or another, making for a rather stale environment.

That's not to say that it needs to be in constant flux or to be full of radical ideas. If anything, it'd be nice to see more DEs settle into a design and feature set and chase stability, efficiency, and performance over shinies. Rather, I think it would be better if more Linux DEs were built around coherent, opinionated design philosophies that cleanly set them all apart from each other. Even if that design philosphy is just "N platform's desktop, refined to its ultimate form", it's better than the "aimless bag of features" direction that's most common.

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klaussilveirayesterday at 6:58 PM

I wouldn't use modern Windows as a good reference in user interface and user experience. If anything, is an experiment in user hostility.

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WillAdamsyesterday at 8:24 PM

If you want a photocopy of the Go Corp. PenPoint UI guidelines let me know and I'll see if I can dig out a copy from a binder which I got w/ an SDK I purchased years ago --- I really miss PenPoint, and always thought it was one of the better UI environments.

contact info is my user name here at aol.com

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NetMageSCWyesterday at 9:35 PM

Consider picking up Alan Cooper’s (perhaps somewhat dated) UI books for some useful perspective in thinking about UIs outside the experienced computer user mindset.

ErroneousBoshyesterday at 10:34 PM

> or being so dumbed down and rigid to be actually usable (GNOME, to a lesser extend CDE)

What do you find "dumbed down" and unusable about it?

Press ctrl-alt-T, and a terminal appears. Begin typing.

Press the flag key and a kind of menu thing you can type the name of apps into appears. Type "firefox" or "vscode" as appropriate, begin typing.

It could hardly be made any more straightforward.

jimmaswellyesterday at 7:06 PM

How is KDE like that? If you don't go out of your way to change options, you aren't "bombarded" with anything, it just works.

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jim180yesterday at 6:01 PM

would you mind sharing your library of HIGs?

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hypercube33yesterday at 7:36 PM

If you're looking at Windows peak was like Win2000

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restersyesterday at 6:27 PM

great idea! would love to star a repo or otherwise follow the project.

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