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dijittoday at 12:46 PM3 repliesview on HN

"small blip" isn't a political take, it's just wrong.

October 7th was the deadliest per capita terrorist attack since the Global Terrorism Database started recording in 1970 [1]. Globally, it's third on the all-time list (behind only 9/11 and one IS attack [1]. The confirmed death toll from Israeli social security data (not government press releases) is 1,139, which still makes it 31 times deadlier than the next worst attack in Israeli history [2][3].

You invoked scale. Those are the numbers. They don't say what you wanted them to say.

And for the record: one atrocity not excusing another cuts both ways. Nobody here argued otherwise. What was actually said (by the person you're replying to) is that you cannot use scale as your framework whilst hand-waving away the single largest data point in the argument.

If you mean the Nakba, Sabra and Shatila, or the current death toll in Gaza — those are serious. But "decades of far worse crimes" doing the work of making October 7th a "small blip" doesn't follow. You can have a long ledger of serious grievances and still recognise that one morning where 1,139 people were massacred (including at a music festival, in kibbutz bedrooms, in bomb shelters) was not a blip. It was the deadliest single terrorist attack per capita since records began.

There is no moral argument for October 7th, and the reaction is disproportionate and unjustifiable - but inevitable. We should all be so unlucky to have neighbours like those, and nobody knows how we would all act if we did.

[1] https://www.csis.org/analysis/hamass-october-7-attack-visual...

[2] https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social...

[3] https://www.csis.org/analysis/hamass-october-7-attack-visual...


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Gudtoday at 12:57 PM

The reaction by the Israelis against the Palestinians is even worse

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tovejtoday at 1:08 PM

How can you claim this with a straight face, when Israel has slaughtered Palestinians like cattle every chance they have. And when they're not killing them with direct violence, they are robbing them of basic necessities and human dignity.

And how can you claim October 7th wasn't an act if war? The main thrust of the attacks were targeting military installations. Much more than Israeli actions in Gaza before or since, which have clearly been done in service of genocide since Israel was created.

The Palestinian genocide has not been a regular war, it has been an absolute extermination campaign that is still ongoing.

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Supermanchotoday at 1:04 PM

> October 7th was the deadliest per capita terrorist attack since the Global Terrorism Database started recording in 1970

> You invoked scale. Those are the numbers. They don't say what you wanted them to say.

1200 Oct7 vs tens of thousands in annexation and retaliation.

The numbers speak for themselves. No need to cherry pick.

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