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arjunchintyesterday at 11:19 PM3 repliesview on HN

Majority of sites don't even expose accessibility functionalities, and for WebMCP you have to expose and maintain internal APIs per page. This opens the site up to abuse/scraping/etc.

Thats why I dont see this standard going to takeoff.

Google put it out there to see uptake. Its really fun to talk about but will be forgotten by end of year is my hot take.

Rather what I think will be the future is that each website will have its own web agent to conversationally get tasks done on the site without you having to figure out how the site works. This is the thesis for Rover (rover.rtrvr.ai), our embeddable web agent with which any site can add a web agent that can type/click/fill by just adding a script tag.


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jauntywundrkindyesterday at 11:58 PM

> for WebMCP you have to expose and maintain internal APIs per page

Perhaps. I think an API for the session is probably the root concern. Page specific is nice to have.

You say it like it's a bad thing. But ideally this also brings clarity & purpose to your own API design too! Ideally there is conjunct purpose! And perhaps shared mechanism!

> This opens the site up to abuse/scraping/etc.

In general it bothers me that this is regarded as a problem at all. In principle, sites that try to clickjack & prevent people from downloading images or whatever have been with us for decades. Trying to keep users from seeing what data they want is, generally, not something I favor.

I'd like to see some positive reward cycles begin, where sites let users do more, enable them to get what they want more quickly, in ways that work better for them.

The web is so unique in that users often can reject being corralled and cajoled. That they have some choice. A lot of businesses being the old app-centric "we determine the user experience" ego to the web when they work, but, imo, there's such a symbiosis to be won by both parties by actually enhancing user agency, rather than this war against your most engaged users.

This also could be a great way to avoid scraping and abuse, by offering a better system of access so people don't feel like they need to scrape your site to get what they want.

> Rather what I think will be the future is that each website will have its own web agent to conversationally get tasks done on the site without you having to figure out how the site works

For someone who just was talking about abuse, this seems like a surprising idea. Your site running its own agent is going to take a lot of resources!! Insuring those resources go to what is mutually beneficial to you both seems... difficult.

It also, imo, misses the idea of what MCP is. MCP is a tool calling system, and usually, it's not just one tool involved! If an agent is using webmcp to send contacts from one MCP system into a party planning webmcp, that whole flow is interesting and compelling because the agent can orchestrate across multiple systems.

Trying to build your own agent is, broadly, imo, a terrible idea, that will never allow the user to wield the connected agency they would want to be bringing. What's so exciting an interesting about the agent age is that the walls and borders of software are crumbling down, and software is intertwingularizing, is soft & malleable again. You need to meet users & agents where they are at, if you want to participate in this new age of software.

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lloydatkinsonyesterday at 11:22 PM

Sadly I do see this slop taking off purely because something something AI, investors, shareholders, hype. I mean even the Chrome devtools now push AI in my face at least once a week, so the slop has saturated all the layers.

They don't give a fuck about accessibility unless it results in fines. Otherwise it's totally invisible to them. AI on the other hand is everywhere at the moment.

ok_dadyesterday at 11:56 PM

This isn’t even MCP, it’s just tools. If it were real MCP of definitely have fun using the “sampling” feature of MCP with people who visit my site…

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