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This is not the selling point they think it is.
The problem I see with the AM5 socket is simply the fact that DD5 RAM to support it is just too expensive. So this will not really make the big impact they were hopin for.
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"The problem I see with the AM5 socket is simply the fact that DD5 RAM to support it is just too expensive."
DDR4 is basically just as expensive. At least DDR5 gives on-chip error correction (not as good as full ECC).
For a geneal computer, there's not that much difference between AM4 and AM5 unless you really want the extra speed of DDR5, PCI 5, and the newest processors. You can build a very capable AM4 machine for slightly less money, but that savings is found on the CPU and motherboard, not on the RAM.
If I can use it with Linux in any meaningful way, that would be a better selling point.
Now all the features you don't use can perform 20% faster!
Upgrading to AM5 wasn't compelling to me even last summer before things went bonkers; I'm still very content with my 5800x and 64GB of DDR4.
Trying to take the plunge on that now sounds like a nightmare.
To really take advantage of those gpu cores you need memory bandwidth. Modern transformer based LLMs are really bandwidth hungry. I am really happy to see this first push. NVIDIA having discrete GPU/memory/etc is an option, but not great for a lot of different reasons. Unified memory architectures like what AMD and Apple have are the way to go for the future. Put 256GB of ram on the main board and be able to access it at speed for LLM use please.
Just like the previous generation of AI PC, consumers just need a usb/pcie NPU,
Mass adoption won't happen until we get those cheap, because there are no mass prosumers making software for them that is massively popular.
I have a hard time believing ANYONE thinks this is a selling point. Literally anyone, including marketing and execs at Microsoft. I think they have just sunk too much money in it to quit, so they keep doubling down.