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hax0ron3yesterday at 4:26 AM9 repliesview on HN

The late 90s were full of media that questioned reality and authority - like X-Files, The Matrix, Dark City, all sorts of websites about conspiracy theories and UFOs, etc. The zeitgeist was full of speculation about hidden truths. The cultural mood was defiant and sardonic. There was rap, rap-rock, Beavis and Butthead, Fight Club, Office Space... One of the most popular pro wrestlers in the world played a character who beat up his boss and gave him the middle finger. Then after 9/11 it kinda seemed like suddenly the TV shows were all about cops and soldiers. Admittedly, my memories might be somewhat deceiving me. But I do feel that the mood suddenly shifted, much more than the actual damage done to America by the attack should have justified.


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donkyrfyesterday at 5:18 AM

The late 90s were also a time of Law & Order, The West Wing, Apollo 13, and Saving Private Ryan.

And today is a time of Andor and Succession....

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jedbergyesterday at 5:42 AM

Gen-X was making the popular new art at the time. It was a strong reflection of the feelings of our generation. We were (maybe still are?) known for not liking authority.

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vintermannyesterday at 10:37 AM

I was absolutely disgusted by stuff like 24 and zero dark thirty when it came out. "If you cut the throat of the terrorist's son he'll break down and tell you where the bomb is" - they expected the audience to treat that as plausible narrative, and a lot of them clearly did.

A lot of the war propaganda from back then is also depressingly similar to what gets pumped out now: you can't argue with success, you don't want to be on the losers' side do you?

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BLKNSLVRyesterday at 1:01 PM

Add The Thirteenth Floor and eXistenZ to the initial list of movies.

ChoGGiyesterday at 2:10 PM

> Then after 9/11 it kinda seemed like suddenly the TV shows were all about cops and soldiers.

There were some rare exceptions like Veep

godelskiyesterday at 5:09 AM

  > Beavis and Butthead, ... Office Space
Mike Judge still does. Serendipitously there's a show called Silicon Valley... I also enjoyed the more recent Common Side Effects. But you even see it in King of the Hill and it's hard to miss in Idiocracy.
DANmodeyesterday at 6:34 AM

The release date of the show 24 is fun.

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komali2yesterday at 4:37 AM

No, you're right, and I distinctly remember the conspiracy theorists and counter culture thinkers immediately circling around "this is going to be used to restrict our freedom." And of course they were absolutely right.

I also remember it was the worse possible cultural faux paux to indicate you thought invading foreign nations wasn't a good response to 9/11. I mean go look at the votes for invasion of Iraq, damn near 2/3 of both the house and Senate in favor. Every radio blaring patriotic songs, every school doing patriotic projects, every brown kid living in hell.

It sucked, bad.

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the_afyesterday at 4:56 AM

You're right.

And the military in movies used to be depicted as inflexible, stubborn, paranoid, incompetent, and usually either "the bad guys" or authorities that impeded the progress of the main characters. (With exceptions; I'm not forgetting about Top Gun).

Then there was a sudden switch, with the military shown with cool gadgets, airplanes, tech, heroics, and generally being glorified. The transition must have happened before the first Transformers, but it was in full swing by then.

Were one of a conspiratorial mind, one would guess massive amounts of money were spent in changing this image.

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