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Why New Zealand is seeing an exodus of over-30s

31 pointsby Tomtetoday at 5:59 AM21 commentsview on HN

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roenxitoday at 7:42 AM

Bit of a tease, they don't explain why New Zealand are seeing an exodus in over-30s. I suspect there is an elephant in the room here that isn't being discussed. Particularly in that age range I doubt people are getting a sudden urge to adventure and excitement that they didn't feel in their 20s.

These articles like to throw out random economic statistics as though they have explanatory power, but they really don't. What exactly are the policies at play here?

> “Our wages are similar in Australia and employment law means longer probation periods, but the pros definitely outweigh the cons”

It is just a minor point, but really. If a country has an employment problem, short probation periods are a terrible idea. To get employers to employ people the easiest strategy is to make it easy and safe for them to employ people. Let them hire and fire at will. What is it with people and this instinct to immediately make life harder for the only person willing to offer someone a job. If people are leaving the island and a contributing factor is they don't have jobs, make it easy to give them a job. Don't make it harder then do this mild surprise routine when they move somewhere where people can actually employ them.

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ggmtoday at 7:19 AM

In times past, Oz dislike of Kiwi property acquisition along the Gold Coast was possibly more pointed than the expected anti Japanese and anti Chinese racism. It doesn't do us any credit how quickly we fall back on these petty differences.

I do feel very sorry for people struggling in the NZ economy and I can see why making the jump works for them, but it's got strong qualities of "you don't know what you've got 'till it's gone" -yes, Australia is a bigger more resilient economy overall by comparison but things can go pear shaped here fast too.

I like NZ. I have family there. Some have made the jump back over here, some remain. I can believe I'd be happy there, and in that totally perverse outcome the Kiwi misfortune might mean more Australians my age moved over there, if inflation/deflation works out the right (wrong?) way. It's not likely right now, cost of living in NZ is a lot higher.

richardfeynmantoday at 7:10 AM

Kiwi here. This is not a new phenomenon. Not sure why this is news.

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ares623today at 7:05 AM

It's a pretty brutal negative feedback loop. This video explains it quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBpgTgFF1ek

Even immigrants are just using New Zealand as a stepping-stone country to later move to Australia.

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wewewedxfgdftoday at 6:12 AM

Is it because any NZ citizen gets to become citizens of Australia?

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damnitbuildstoday at 7:24 AM

Sadly predictable that Jacinda Ardern, the moronic do-gooder architect of this, is also leaving NZ for Australia.

She's yet another trendy lefty who has now discovered that fucking up your country's economy to "do good" does nobody any good.

From 2019: " New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern criticized the tendency among countries to measure success by economic growth and gross domestic product at the 2019 Goalkeepers event on Wednesday, hosted by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

Ardern said that governments should instead focus on the general welfare of citizens and make investments in areas that unlock human potential. She pointed to New Zealand's new well-being budget that seeks to expand mental health services, reduce child poverty and homelessness, promote Indigenous rights, fight climate change, and expand opportunities.

"Economic growth accompanied by worsening social outcomes is not success," Ardern said. "It is failure." "

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/jacinda-ardern-goal...

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Kinatoday at 7:14 AM

Don’t worry Peter Thiel will help change that after he destroys the functionality of most of the global economy since he’s basically asserted that New Zealand is his break glass refuge.

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