alt Hacker NewsEvery single task that was easy and economical to offload to a single purpose robot arm bolted down to the floor was already offloaded to a single purpose robot arm bolted down to the floor.
What remains is: all those quirky little one-off processes that aren't very amenable to "robot arm" automation, aren't worth the process design effort to make them amenable to it, and are currently solved by human labor.
Thus, you design new solutions to target that open niche.
Humans aren't perfect at anything, but they are passable at everything. Universal worker robots attempt to replicate that.
"A drop-in replacement for simple human labor" is a very lucrative thing, assuming one could pull it off. And that favors humanoid hulls.
Not that it's the form that's the bottleneck for that, not really. The problem of universal robots is fundamentally an AI problem. Today, we could build a humanoid body that could mechanically perform over 90% of all industrial tasks performed by humans, but not the AI that would actually make it do it.
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This framing clarifies something people get wrong about humanoid robots. The competition isn't "humanoid vs. better robot" — it's "humanoid vs. hiring another person."
And that reframes the economics entirely. You don't need the robot to be better than a human at any given task. You need the total cost of ownership to be lower than a salary, benefits, turnover, and training. That's a much easier bar to clear once the AI catches up to the body.
The interesting question is whether the AI problem gets solved generally (one model that can do everything) or whether we end up with task-specific AI in a general-purpose body — basically the robot arm paradigm wearing a humanoid suit.
Yes that's pretty much it. Some people from boston dynamics were talking on a podcast. And they were saying that they sat down with toyota and figured out they could automate all the tasks in a factory, but it would take 10000 man years or something and toyota makes new trims every six months so you need about 10000 man years every six months or so.
It's the flexibility and adaptability with minimum training that's required.
> Every single task that was easy and economical to offload to a single purpose robot arm bolted down to the floor was already offloaded to a single purpose robot arm bolted down to the floor.
What about doing dishes? That could be done with one arm. Maybe not easy and economical yet, but could be.
There is plenty that has not been seen through.
Laundry folding machines are not in wide distribution.
Robots to put away laundry?
Etc. lots of mundane tasks.
My impression is that a big part of the reason for the sudden boom in humanoid robots is that they lend themselves particularly well to RL based training using human-made training footage using VR. It’s much easier to have a robot broadly copy human actions if the robot looks like a human, instead of having to first translate the human action to your robot arm equivalent.