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jorisboristoday at 12:58 PM4 repliesview on HN

I feel we’re framing it in a negative way

Our goal shouldn’t be to be coal free. Our goal should be to be 100% renewable.

If we set up our goals in terms of what we don’t want, we end up in the situation we are right now: high energy costs, very dependent on energy imports and a high risk of loosing our industry


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crotetoday at 1:37 PM

> Our goal should be to be 100% renewable.

No, our goal is to reduce CO2 emissions as quickly as possible.

Shutting down coal plants is a quick and easy win, as pretty much every possible replacement is less polluting. It might even make sense to replace them with gas turbines: base load today, peaker plant tomorrow, emergency source later on.

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mk89today at 1:30 PM

I am not sure it's a matter of how you frame the issue, to be honest, although I have seen this argument used quite a lot.

100% renewables is the exact opposite of "100% non-renewables" and that's including also oil, gas, etc. So "coal" is only a part of the 100% non renewables, but it seems your goal is to get rid of all the non renewables.

And here the question is: why would you want a single goal? Why 100% renewable?

What drives us should be: save where it makes sense, don't where it doesn't. Iterate every 10 years and recheck.

All these single radical goals are literally killing our economy and society. And I am not just talking about coal free or renewable.

Even the "let's tear down the windfarms" is dumb because it's radical and non sense.

Or unrelated, even this "we need to digitalize everything" (although given our jobs we would profit the most) can lead to a lot of problems (privacy, security, etc).

I don't know why we have become so radical in the last 20 years.

rsynnotttoday at 1:37 PM

Coal is about as dirty as it gets (besides peat and lignite). _Even if you were not reducing CO2 output_, getting rid of coal would be greatly beneficial as you'd reduce COPD and other lung diseases.

wolvoleotoday at 1:09 PM

Coal is the worst of the fossil sources though. Getting rid of coal is only the first step but it's a good one.