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twalichiewicztoday at 2:14 AM3 repliesview on HN

At 10-mile intervals you're maintaining a high-bandwidth, low-latency mesh network in a contested electronic environment. If the command aircraft is 10 miles away and the enemy is jamming the link, the drone is going to be making split-second (potentially) lethal decisions without the pilot.

You're right about them both costing about the same, so the real leverage only comes if these drones can stay out of the engagement envelope while sending cheaper submunitions (likely using something like these Ragnaroks (~$150k) https://www.kratosdefense.com/newsroom/kratos-unveils-revolu...) to do the actual baiting.


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mlyletoday at 3:02 AM

> high-bandwidth, low-latency mesh network in a contested electronic environment.

Hard to win at jamming, when you're further away and the opponents are frequency agile.

1. They can use directionality more effectively to their advantage

2. Inverse square law works against you (unlike e.g. jamming GPS where it works for you).

3. They can be frequency agile, strongly rejecting everything outside of the 20MHz slice they're using "right now"-- and have choices of hundreds of those slices.

Fighters already have radars that they expect to "win" with despite that being inverse fourth power, a longer range, and countermeasures. They can send communications-ish signals anywhere over a couple GHz span up near X-band. Peak EIRP that they put out isn't measured in kilowatts, but tens of megawatts.

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bluegattytoday at 2:29 AM

Stealth is less effective against long range radar, stealth is more effective closer in against targeting radars.

When you're high up you can have pretty long 'line of sight' so it's not unreasonable that these could fly way way ahead. 100 miles and way more is not unreasonable.

You basically get 'double standoff'.

I can see this as being almost as effective as manned stealth and if they are cost effective they could very plausibly defeat f22 scenarios.

Once you add in the fact that risk is completely different (no human), then payload, manoeuvrability, g-force recovery safety, all that goes out the window and you have something very crazy.

3 typhoons with 2-3 'suicidal AI wingmen' each way out ahead is going to dust them up pretty good at minimum. It's really hard to say for sure obviously it depends on all the other context as well.

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budman1today at 3:38 AM

at 10 miles, the data link cannot be jammed. and it won't be observed, either. military is very good at this 'mesh networking' thing. L16 is 40 years old at this point, I expect they have something much better.

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