Astral to Join OpenAI

ok so the buying frenzy has started. We will end up with a new google basically monopolizing the internet. Only in this case it is much worse. M&As are evil.

Any move that strengthens future oligopolies is a net loss for all consumers.

I don't care how good/bad a company is, because I lived long enough to know that most of them started off like that. Good luck to the uv team.

Wtf!? Is this an early April's fools? I've been recommending astral tools left and right, Looks like I'm out a good chunk of social capital on that.

Who's organizing a fork, or is python back to having only shitty packaging available? :(

I (along with many others) always thought that Astral being VC backed is going to lead to a future disappointment for the community.

rip uv

Just when I moved from poetry to uv.

Counting days until "uv will stop being dveloped".

> I am so excited to keep building with you.

Fixed: I am so excited to take these millions of dollars.

Whoa, So Sam and Drio are just gonna buy out every popular open source projects now?

will private packages hosted on pyx be available for openai to use as training data?

Should I freeze my plans to migrate from `poetry` to `uv` at "${WORK}"?

Don't love it. But, I'm glad the Astral folks are getting the bag.

Well shit, I feel betrayed. This is exactly the opposite of what I thought Charlie's goals were. I thought he was focused on making the Python ecosystem better.

This was pretty obvious to just about anyone tbh. FastAPI is probably next

It would seem to me that purchasing a piece of software as an AI company is just an outright admission that they could not generate an equivalent piece of software for a better price?

If it was cheaper to use their internal AI to create these tools, they would.

Maybe it's time to get out my Cowlishaw Rexx book again…

Wonder if they can still use claude code in their repos now

This leaves me a bit scared for uv and ruff to be honest.

How are they acquiring it without "open" in their name?

py stuff aside for a sec, having this team working on Codex will be huge.

I didn’t see a way they ever dethroned Claude until now.

Happy as a Codex user, gloomy as a Python one.

So instead of finally building an enterprise-grade package manager where you could pay for validated, verified and secure packages, we're going to vibe project management and let a slop-spiggot fill the trough. Brilliant. Incredibly pleased that the last sane tools in the entire python ecosystem are getting gutted to discourage the last few non-braindead devs from bothering.

Amusing that the best python tools are written entirely in rust.

I am actually quite saddened by this. It's very unlikely that' I'll keep using uv, now. I don't trust this kind of shit.

Does this mean pip is finally getting PIP'd?

Btw astral repo has Claude as one of its top contributors

Wow - this is potentially the most cynical hacker news thread I've ever read. When did this place trade it's curiosity and excitement about technology for constant doomerism?

Congrats Astral and co!

I wonder who's going to pick up VoidZero

So many negative comments but not a single:

- I'm willing to pay for Astral ecosystem so it stays independent/open source

- I'm willing to fork the project

Pyright and ty are under the same roof now.

Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47438716

Damnit I was really rooting for uv :(

what happen when openai goes brankrupt?

It should have been FastAPI instead.

Why do I feel uneasy about this?

Can Astral's stuff be forked?

So no problem in joining OpenAI after the whole DoD/DoW mess?

> I started Astral to make programming more productive.

And now they help make killing more productive

If I were to engage in Python development, what's the alternative to uv?

Does it go without saying that OpenAI/majority shareholder Microsoft can unilaterally change the licenses and take Astral’s repos offline (completely against the will of Charlie or the community)?

Regardless of how likely/inevitable this scenario is, the public should make offline backups and forks immediately.

So begins the uv-Bun war.

I hope OpenAI will be here long enough so we have uv in twenty years from now. uv totally changed the way I work with Python, so I wouldn't want to miss it.

How does this make sense

Well that's ruined my morning.

I was always wary of uv being written in Rust. Even if we can make a community fork, how big is the intersection between great Rust developers and people really into Python packaging and infrastructure? Not big, I would assume.

I do wonder if we should just rewrite something in Python, but make sure it runs with pypy. Pypy should give at least similar performance as Rust but being still regular Python means there is a far bigger pool of devs able to maintain it.

Astral has shown us the way, but I think it's time to take control of our own destiny as Python devs.

Booooooooooooooooooo

So vite.dev is next.

Undisclosed amount?

Ugh, this isn't good.

I hate relying on anything that is controlled by a single company. Considering that Astral is basically brand new in the python timeline, it is concerning that they are already being acquired.

On the other hand, UV is so fast that it makes up for anything I find annoying about it.

Oh no! This is actually terrible. Get ready for "premium tooling only available in Codex(TM)".

This is where POTUS should step in and stop this sale. Not cool.

Welp, back to pip