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hijodelsollast Thursday at 1:33 PM8 repliesview on HN

This is a serious risk for the open source ecosystem and particularly the scientific ecosystem that over the last years has adopted many of these technologies. Having their future depend on a cap-ex heavy company that is currently (based on reporting) spending approx. 2.5 dollars to make a dollar of revenue and must have hypergrowth in the next years or perish is less than ideal. This should discourage anybody doing serious work to adopt more of the upcoming Astral technologies like ty and pyx. Hopefully, ruff and uv are large enough to be forked should (when) the time comes.


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rstlast Thursday at 1:41 PM

On the flip side, I'm not sure I ever saw a revenue plan or exit strategy for Astral other than acquihire. And most plausible bidders are unfortunate in one way or another.

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chislast Thursday at 4:36 PM

My hope would be that this eventually pushes pip to adopt a similar feature-set and performance improvements. It's always a better story when the built-in tool is adequate instead of having to pick something. And yes UV is rust but it's pretty clear that Python could provide something within 2-5x the speed.

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Maxionlast Thursday at 1:47 PM

These tools are open source, if they lock them down the community will just fork them.

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pjmlplast Thursday at 1:48 PM

I never adopted them, keep using mostly Python written stuff.

Either pay for the product, or use stuff that isn't dependent on VC money, this is always how it ends.

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tmalylast Thursday at 1:44 PM

Would single maintainers of critical open source projects be a better situation?

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dadrianlast Thursday at 5:14 PM

As opposed to Pip, which is obviously free and sustainable forever.

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llll_lllllll_llast Thursday at 1:44 PM

I don't know how to search for that report, can you share it?

adolphlast Thursday at 4:43 PM

> This is a serious risk for the open source ecosystem and particularly the scientific ecosystem that over the last years has adopted many of these technologies.

At worst, it's just Anaconda II AI Boogaloo. The ecosystems will evolve and overcome, or will die and different ecosystems rise to meet the need going forward.

I anticipate OpenAI will get bored and ignore Astral's tools. Software entropy will do its thing and we will remember an actively developed uv as the good old days until something similar to cargo gets adopted as part of Python's standard distribution.