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chneutoday at 2:11 PM10 repliesview on HN

American police are trained to be afraid. They escalate situations constantly. They're trained that every traffic stop is LIKELY their last.

I've had a gun pulled on me twice for traffic stops when I went to grab something. I'm white.


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adrrtoday at 3:56 PM

Not even the most dangerous job in the US. Forest workers, commercial fishermen, pilots etc are more dangerous. If we're talking about gun violence, your corner market cashier is more likely to get shot, Has anyone thanked a 7 eleven worker for their sacrifice thas you can get a slurpee at 2am?

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hliyantoday at 2:34 PM

If only your country operated on the Peelian principles of policing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles

Relevant fictional quote:

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. - William Adama

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alsetmusictoday at 2:59 PM

> I've had a gun pulled on me twice for traffic stops when I went to grab something. I'm white.

Something I learned from a friend is to ask permission for every movement or at the very least narrate and move slowly.

"I'm going to reach in the glovebox for my registration. Is that ok?"

I think it's the only way to protect yourself from their hyper-nervousness.

Edit: friend and I are also white.

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stevenwootoday at 7:27 PM

Not only that but if they claim they were afraid for their life, that excuse is used to justify any action, which works short of admitting wrongdoing on video and in post incident interviews.

bobshtoday at 3:18 PM

It started after the Iraq war. They got Hummers and vets.

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gypsy_bootstoday at 4:03 PM

not only trained that way, the justice system upholds this by not prosecuting police violence in any meaningful way

mpweihertoday at 3:17 PM

Could also be that this is at least partially justified due to the incredible pervasiveness of guns in the US.

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dparktoday at 2:24 PM

“Warrior mindset”. When you’re trained to assume that everyone you interact with is a lethal threat, you tend to react as such.

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ceejayoztoday at 2:13 PM

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aeternumtoday at 4:51 PM

This will be a controversial opinion but I think some escalation by police is warranted.

The reality is there are aggressive people in society that have a tendency to escalate things. If police are trained to only de-escalate, it removes a powerful check on aggressive escalation.

The second order effect is an increase in events like people being pushed onto train tracks, glass bottles being thrown if you glance the wrong direction, etc.

I think optimally you have a police force that is trained in de-escalation but also escalates things slightly more than the average citizen and thereby provides a service to society as a buffer.

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