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throwway120385last Thursday at 3:47 PM7 repliesview on HN

The only way to meaningfully defeat surveillance technology is to make a constitutional amendment that limits its use privately and publicly. We keep fighting it technologically which is an arms race. A cultural solution is the only path forward that will see meaningful success.


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bonessslast Thursday at 7:10 PM

> The only way to meaningfully defeat surveillance technology is to make a constitutional amendment that limits its use privately and publicly

So, contextually, a constitutional amendment to force private and public use of Juggalo Makeup?

It’s extreme, but bold change requires bold steps.

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conductrlast Thursday at 11:55 PM

As a fan of ICP this is hilarious because it almost means we all need to become juggalos not just dress like them, even if that helps

> The Juggalo story, or Dark Carnival mythology, is the overarching narrative conceptualized by the hip-hop duo Insane Clown Posse (ICP)—Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope. It tells the story of a spirit world that judges the wicked, selfish, and cruel members of society, acting as a morality play meant to guide listeners toward a better life before "the end"

hamdingerslast Thursday at 6:57 PM

People find their ring cameras too useful, businesses love cloud based security camera systems, facial recognition and cloud backup are expected features of every phone's photo app, courts consider recording integral to first amendment expression.

These are some big rocks you'll need to move, otherwise your amendment won't be worth the paper it's written on. Just saying "you can collect all the data, but don't use it for surveillance" doesn't mean much.

I have no solutions, feels like we missed the boat if there ever was an opportunity to prevent it in the first place. We live in public now.

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cat-turneryesterday at 12:00 AM

You can demand companies to auto-blur faces unless people have consented to being recorded.

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Gunaxyesterday at 3:52 AM

I just don't believe that can be effective.

Cameras are legal and too useful to ban. Facial recognition is just software.

And it's getting easier to make. There are open source solutions for facial recognition.

mc32last Thursday at 4:34 PM

I don’t think it will happen for at least a couple of reasons. The “deep state” in the US and elsewhere will not allow it and would find workarounds ala five eyes. And two, the right wants to spy on the left and the left wants to spy on the right. Only a small sliver of libertarians are strongly against spying “the domestic baddies.” So there is no chance.

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zdp7last Thursday at 4:46 PM

As long as it is accessible and useful, it will be used. Organized crime is around despite it being illegal. Considering how lucrative tracking people is, people will do it illegally. Even corporations as long as penalties aren't significant enough. We really need a three strikes law for corporations. Three egregious intentional violations and corp, is dissolved all assets going to support the needy.

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