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If Tesla FSD is better than the average driver using it, isn't it still a net win, even if it might crash in different scenarios than a human? Especially because a human has a window to override FSD, but FSD doesn't really get a chance to override a human, except in limited scenarios like automatic emergency braking. And it gets more people using it by providing FSD at a lower cost?
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What if I am better than average driver? Thats anyway a very low bar for success and its not going to fly with general populations, laws and so on.
tesla cars killing people would be all over the news each time and nobody would care that similar or even marginally smaller amount of people would die anyway. People simply expect way more for giving up control.
Is it really that hard to see?
> What are wile e coyote attacks?
https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-autopilot-fails-wile-e-c...
> If Tesla FSD is better than the average driver using it, isn't it still a net win, even if it might crash in different scenarios than a human?
That was the analysis when the industry was in its infancy. I think a lot more work has to go into that argument for people to accept it now that the driverless car industry has been operating for a decade+, it's not really clear that this pans out.
For example, today you can look at a car and predict how it's going to behave because you have a good model for how people drive. But let's say in the future driverless cars are much "safer" on paper than human drivers, but they behave very differently from them such that it's hard for people to predict their behaviors.
Now you've created a highly dynamic system where you don't have a good model for the all the actors because some of them behave one way but others behave a completely different way. Does this increase the overall safety of the system or decrease it, despite the new actors being statistically safer than the current ones?
I don't think you can with great confidence say what's going to happen just by looking at crash rates and comparing to the current system. You're going to change the whole system by introducing large numbers of actors who "crash in different scenarios than a human"
>> What are wile e coyote attacks? Painting a tunnel entrance on a wall?
Yes!!! Thank you hopefully I will get credit for inventing this attack :)
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What are wile e coyote attacks? Painting a tunnel entrance on a wall?
>> If Tesla FSD is better than the average driver using it, isn't it still a net win, even if it might crash in different scenarios than a human?
I don't think so because it is fooled by simple things that could easily be prevented and counting on a human to override is very risky because the human is simply not alert in the passive mode.
I think cameras are great, but there is no excuse not to also use LIDAR.