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dragonwriterlast Thursday at 9:53 PM2 repliesview on HN

> Tell that to the 1200+ civilians murdered, raped, mutilated and burned alive on October 7th.

It's pretty clear that a substantial number of them were killed by the Israeli military in the course of its deliberate war crime of indiscriminate attack with civilians in the line of fire under the "Hannibal Directive". Investigations by Israeli and Western media and numerous Israeli (both military sources and civilian witnesses) accounts support this.

Its gotten relatively little play in US media specifically, but US media acts as a propaganda arm of the IDF and the Israeli government as much (even more, arguably) than it does for the domestic military and police forces, ignoring damaging stories, and when it can't completely ignore them using exonerative and passive voice framing to avoid attributing effects to the actors and actions causing them.


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da-xyesterday at 9:58 AM

It's pretty clear? Clear to who?

Search all the sources - there were only 14 confirm out of the 828 civilians + 367 soldiers.

There were many people being shot in their homes in the first hour, a long time before IDF managed to reach those areas by foot. As of air, there were not enough attack helicopters to cover all that area, and there were no clear commands of where and how much to attack, that pilots mostly did not attack at all.

magic_hamsterlast Thursday at 9:58 PM

> substantial number of them were killed by the Israeli military

Let me stop you right there, the Palestinian (hamas) raid on Israel was livestreamed for the psychological terror effect, and there is absolutely a mountain of videos showing how everything happened. There's an overwhelming number of witness accounts telling the horrors committed by Palestinians towards families in their homes, the music festival, etc. You can still visit the places they torched ny hand. Please don't spread disinformation on October 7th.

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