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GeekyBearlast Thursday at 11:19 PM5 repliesview on HN

Apple was clear that they were offering the safety of a walled garden from the start.

Apple didn't lie about supporting a user's freedom to run anything they like, only to execute a rug pull after they successfully drove the other open options out of the marketplace.


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TheDongyesterday at 4:13 AM

> Apple didn't lie about supporting a user's freedom to run anything they like, only to execute a rug pull after they successfully drove the other open options out of the marketplace.

They did execute a rugpull, and they aren't offering safety anymore.

The rug pull is ads in the app store. If I go to the app store now and search for my bank's name, the first result is a different bank. If I search for 'anki', the first 3 results are spam ad-ware tracking-cookie trash.

If I search "password store" I get 4 results before the "password store" app. I had a family member try to install one of the google-docs suite of apps, and the first result was some spamware that opened a full-screen ad, which on click resulted in a phishing site.

My family can't safely use the app store anymore because they click the first result, and the first result for most searches is now adware infested crap because of apple's "sponsored results".

What's the point of charging huge overhead on the hardware, and then an astounding 30% tax, and also a $100/year developer fee, if you then double-dip and screw over the users who want your app by selling user's clicks to the highest bidder?

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alextingleyesterday at 8:38 AM

No. Apple's phones started out with only web apps. They only add the walled garden later.

AnthonyMouseyesterday at 5:11 AM

> Apple was clear that they were offering the safety of a walled garden from the start.

This is a red herring. Is Google a hypocrite for lying about it first? Sure. But suppose Android dies and gets replaced by something that never claimed to be open. Or gets replaced by nothing so there is only iOS. Is that fine then?

Of course not, because the problem is the lack of alternatives, and having your choice glued to an entire ecosystem full of other choices so that everything is all or nothing and the choices you would make the other way are coerced by them all being tied together into something with a network effect.

butILoveLifeyesterday at 1:57 PM

hahahahaha 'walled garden'

repeating marketing speak.

Apple got you.

Walled Prison. Look at all those people suffering with iMessage trying to use openclaw.

supern0valast Thursday at 11:29 PM

If Google actually takes away the ability to run unsigned code, my next phone will be an iPhone. And I rarely even run unsigned code.

Honestly, it might finally result in me fully exiting the Google ecosystem.

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