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tptacektoday at 4:58 PM5 repliesview on HN

Nobody's lobbying achieved objectives in the Illinois primary, which is more a statement about the ineffectiveness of lobbying (at least in these kinds of races) than anything else. The candidates that won were the candidates you'd expect to win given demographics and the recent political history of the region.


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AnthonyMousetoday at 7:40 PM

> The candidates that won were the candidates you'd expect to win given demographics and the recent political history of the region.

That doesn't imply that lobbying doesn't work, only that it doesn't work like that.

Suppose there are two main candidates in the running, one of them is running on issue X and the other on issue Y. You're not going to get either of them to change their position there. But if you care about issue Z, which most people aren't paying attention to, and you give money to the one that supports that, they're more likely to win because they have more money. They're also more likely to support your position on that issue if they know it means they get more money.

You probably can't get a candidate polling at 3% up to 51%, but you can often get a candidate who is only 3 points behind the front runner into the lead. Or get the front runner to change their position on something most voters aren't paying attention to in order to dissuade you from doing that.

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longislandguidotoday at 7:11 PM

> The candidates that won were the candidates you'd expect to win given demographics and the recent political history of the region.

If the news is to be believed, the online influencer with no elected office experience came within a couple points of the experienced politician that won, so I would disagree with your assessment.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lefty-influencer-kat...

A 4 point lead over someone barely over the Congressional age requirement with no experience is hardly a clear-cut win and almost margin-of-error territory.

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bombcartoday at 6:24 PM

I've often thought that the "effectiveness of political spending/lobbying" is often promoted by those who receive the political dollars and lobbyists.

And since it's a great way to answer the "If your side/candidate/issue was so great, why did they lose?" question without having to deal with any introspection whatsoever.

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onlyrealcuzzotoday at 6:09 PM

It's interesting how much money is spent lobbying at the primary stage, when you can always just shop around congress AFTER the electins for the cheapest whore to buy out and find someone for pennies on the dollar.

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gigatexaltoday at 7:44 PM

This bodes well for democracy. Hopefully things stay such that they can’t be bought. Once they can be we are in trouble.