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Fred Rogers advised François Clemmons, an openly gay cast member, to remain closeted and even suggested he marry a woman to protect the show's viability.[1]

Terry Crews? Porn addict. [2]

Lin Manuel Miranda "blindly asks BIPOC performers to act in a piece detailing historical events benefiting their oppressors." [3]

Henry Cavill undermined the #MeToo movement saying he feared being called a "rapist" if he pursued women. [4]

John Cena buries talent... used his backstage influence to undermine the momentum of new stars (remember The Nexus in 2010, CM Punk etc) [5]

Steve Irwin fed a crocodille while holding his month-old son, putting him in danger. [6]

Dave Grohl? Chronic infidelity. [7]

All these men are way better than me, for sure. But you can see how these arguments against Chuck Norris are a slippery slope:

> The homophobia? The racism? The infidelity? The conspiracy theories?

You're cherry-picking virtues from people aligned with your politics and ignoring the good things your perceived "adversaries" have.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2020/04/30/847315345/officer-clemmons-mi...

[2] https://www.addictioncenter.com/community/terry-crews-pornog...

[3] https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/12/9/unpop-opinion-c...

[4] https://culturess.com/2018/07/13/henry-cavill-missed-point-m...

[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQr5ZD6fr0g&t=3s

[6] https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47343688

[7] https://www.gutinstinctmedia.com/latest-articles/a-rockstar-...


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cthalupayesterday at 8:28 PM

I think Cavill has a fair point - I generally support MeToo, think it was very important, but I can understand how being a fairly big name in Hollywood can result in hesitation around pursuing women. Especially now that he's got a lot of power for a whole franchise, with the Warhammer 40k stuff.

Steve Irwin I don't think what he did was a particularly big deal with the kid.

I don't really like celebrities as role models though. They have to have public personas as a matter of course. I would instead try to point to specific behaviors from real people. I also don't think people have to be perfect. But I do think there are some deal breakers that would mean I would never point my kids towards them as a role model. Racism and homophobia are among those things. I think believing that whole classifications of people are lesser is disqualifying.

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