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epolanskitoday at 2:50 PM3 repliesview on HN

I really struggle with this model of protectionism.

It has rarely worked in history, and when it did, it only did so for very short specific time frames intended to kickstart a sector, never to protect it in its mature state.

Examples are south korean and japanese post ww2 protectionism of key sectors, but again, only to kickstart them. Those very sectors had to compete globally quickly to survive.

We're in capitalism, capitalism is about competition and efficiency.

The moment you're shielding your local companies all that happens is that they can raise prices and have even less incentives to compete and innovate.

And I don't buy the "but China fuels money into their EV industry" either.

So what? How many incentives, bailouts, manufacturing credits, sales credits etc do the European and US industries receive regularly?

And why would I care if Chinese taxpayers subsidize my car? I really don't.

Stellantis, a 20B market cap auto conglomerate has received more than 200B euros in help by the Italian government across the last 3 decades. And what did it achieve? Nothing.

Just made the fiat group less relevant, less competitive, and didn't protect jobs in the long term anyway.


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kubbtoday at 4:38 PM

It has worked plenty. The US built its entire industrial base behind tariff walls in the 1800s. Japan protected Toyota and Sony until they could compete globally. South Korea did the same with Samsung. And China itself got there through decades of protectionism and subsidies.

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ericmaytoday at 2:58 PM

> And I don't buy the "but China fuels money into their EV industry" either.

Well, you’re wrong. There’s not much else to say bout that.

> And why would I care if Chinese taxpayers subsidize my car? I really don't.

Because it prices the vehicles below points where others can compete. Then they go out of business, and then the remaining winner raises prices. If you are Germany, Japan, or the United States that means lots of bad things for jobs, and starting a new automaker to bring down high prices later is very difficult.

It’s like, who cares if Amazon or Walmart comes in to your country, subsidizes the prices, and then runs all the competition and small mom and pop stores out of town until you have nothing left but Amazon or Walmart. Right?

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