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epolanskiyesterday at 3:02 PM3 repliesview on HN

> Well, you’re wrong. There’s not much else to say bout that.

That's an opinion, not a fact.

> Because it prices the vehicles below points where others can compete.

This is way too expensive for something like that to last. The rush to the bottom is already killing so many chinese automakers locally. The idea that they can sustain such a money bleed globally is hard to believe.


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galangalalgolyesterday at 3:14 PM

The ev and chip market may indeed be insurmountable to their subsidy model, but it has worked on so many other sectors that now only exist in China. They do have troubles discontinuing subsidies to sectors that capture government. But mostly the subsidize to bootstrap has worked wonderfully for them. Tariffs are one counter. But subsidizing your own existing sector to counter it is necessary as well and tariffs have the down side of making your industries uncompetitive globally. Argentina demonstrated this for us. An evenhanded subsidybthat doesn't pick winners is also necessary. China broke capitalism the same way VC does. Come in with a big enough bank roll and it doesn't matter if you are better if you can keep spending until the competition folds. The open question is if China's demographic issues will outpace productivity gains.

ericmayyesterday at 3:17 PM

> That's an opinion, not a fact.

It’s not an opinion. You’re welcome to go read China’s own self-published strategic plans on this or a litany of news and policy journals discussing this.

> This is way too expensive for something like that to last.

How can you claim it’s too expensive if you’re claiming you don’t even buy that it’s happening??

> The rush to the bottom is already killing so many chinese automakers locally. The idea that they can sustain such an money bleed globally is plain asinine.

Look at German automakers in China for a view of the future.

As Chinese automakers compete and then consolidate they’ll raise prices of course but the level of competition and capacity build out will still have them underpricing other automakers due to economies of scale, cheap labor, and advanced manufacturing. They don’t need to sustain it really, globally they’re already poised to win which is why US, EU, Japan are going to have a lot of import controls, tariffs, and will utilize other tools to protect domestic industries.

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kubbyesterday at 4:39 PM

It seems like you're ignoring real-life things that happened to fit your world model.