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dragochattoday at 11:52 AM7 repliesview on HN

how about the OPPOSITE problem: _anyone knows of any non-EU AND non-US email providers_? with email accounts as the roots of trust for many things, i'd really wanna know how can I get a trustworthy one not-attached to eithern an unstable system (US), or a very overregulating one like the EU juristictions...

and ofc, non-CN too


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pavlovtoday at 11:56 AM

So where do you want to host your email?

Name a country and it probably has its own problems: some combination of instability, corruption, authoritarian governments, collaboration with the US and EU governments that you want to escape…

ProtonMail is in Switzerland, so it’s perhaps the best mainstream bet. But the Swiss are absolutely not immune to US and EU pressure.

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keybitstoday at 12:51 PM

Runbox are a good option - company and servers in Norway: https://runbox.com/

Been around since 2000. They're also working on JMAP support and are the top financial contributor to the Stalwart mail server (https://opencollective.com/stalwart) so I think they'll have a more compelling offering soon.

Also worth keeping an eye on Thunderbird pro which will also use Stalwart: https://www.tb.pro/en-US/

PeterStuertoday at 12:42 PM

I'm using Zoho (Indian company, hosted in Europe). Maybe not perfect from a geopolitical pov, but it will do for now.

stingraycharlestoday at 11:57 AM

Singapore, Japan have reliable ISPs.

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petesergeanttoday at 11:55 AM

For email and calendaring, Fastmail, although Her Majesty’s Australian government has strong overreach instincts.

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realusernametoday at 11:54 AM

Fastmail is australian

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dangustoday at 12:46 PM

lol, you want trustworthy stability without “too many” regulations. Good luck with that.

I’m not sure you know what instability means if you think the US is unstable. If anything, the fact that the dumbest person on the planet is in charge of the United States and the country still functions as well as it does proves a lot about the stability of the USA. The country runs on geopolitical easy mode.

Maybe there’s a libertarian fantasy novel where you can host your services.