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nekusartoday at 1:56 PM9 repliesview on HN

I guarantee that basically nothing will come out of this.

People dont willingly put these alcohol breathalyzer interlocks on their vehicles. They're 100% court mandated, as a punishment for, usually, drunk driving.

This country is so hell-bent on making criminals' lives worse and worse as a never-ending punishment. So what 150k people cant use their cars. 'They did something wrong and deserve it', is the usual motto in the USA.

Now, lets have a discussion about software liability....


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Someone1234today at 2:07 PM

And there is nearly no oversight on how much these private companies are allowed to charge those 150K people for something that is court mandated. These interlocks can exceed $100/month for some of the poorest people in society.

Unfortunately the US public has no interest in this issue. They have a dual morality where lawbreaking is wrong, but profiting off of criminals and the poor isn't. So mandatory prison labor, expensive monitoring, for-profit probation services, and for-profit jails are fine.

Literally if you don't pay or play, you go to jail. But it was a plea so you "volunteered" (to not go to jail).

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lesuoractoday at 2:24 PM

> So what 150k people cant use their cars. 'They did something wrong and deserve it', is the usual motto in the USA.

Maybe I'm in the wrong here, but I do find it pretty fair that people that can't responsible use a vehicle aren't allowed to use a vehicle. You don't see me flying airplanes for hire ...

> Now, lets have a discussion about software liability....

You're welcome to demand that the software you use provide a warranty. For some reason government agencies which actually would have the ability to demand this seem to not care. It does seem extremely negligent to allow people who can't use cars responsibly to use cars with provided software without a warranty.

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chromacitytoday at 2:18 PM

> This country is so hell-bent on making criminals' lives worse and worse as a never-ending punishment.

Interlock devices are typically mandated for 6-12 months if it's your first DUI. In California, you will be mandated to use it for three years after your fourth (!) DUI. DUI laws in many parts of the US are ridiculously permissive and your criticism is pretty off-base.

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bombcartoday at 2:04 PM

"Plea deals" have an interesting caveat that I didn't know - you can agree to punishments that the government couldn't impose as part of a plea deal.

So if the punishment for driving drunk is 3 years in prison, you may be able to avoid it by accepting a plea deal that infringes on your third amendment rights.

This can even occur in a civil case.

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nemomarxtoday at 2:33 PM

I'm generally against long term punishments for crimes like this, but operating a dangerous machine like a car is a serious matter. A breathalyzer is a reasonable compromise compared to just taking away your license, right?

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ghastmastertoday at 6:00 PM

I have a friend who would like to do it voluntarily, however, just having one on the vehicle increases your insurance cost.

dylan604today at 2:22 PM

> People dont willingly put these alcohol breathalyzer interlocks on their vehicles

N=1, but I know of one case where the defendant was offered a lock on their car or an ankle alcohol monitor. Of course they were going to choose the car lock.

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zoklet-enjoyertoday at 2:15 PM

I like to not share roads with drunks

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