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PieTimeyesterday at 5:59 PM4 repliesview on HN

This isn’t hypothetical, this system just exists in other countries. Digital systems can confirm flight instruction from ATC with zero radio communication.


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throw0101dyesterday at 8:19 PM

> Digital systems can confirm flight instruction from ATC with zero radio communication.

Digital comms is available in the US:

* https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/DataComm

The issue is that the final approach and landing (and taxiing?) environments are probably too dynamic for that: in this particular situation one of the vehicles was responding to an emergency (fire).

In addition to huge planes, there is baggage transportation, passenger buses (to mid-field terminals), fuel pumpers, emergency vehicles, snow plows, deicers, and general maintenance vehicles (clear debris off runways).

dparkyesterday at 6:13 PM

I’m not saying we couldn’t move more into automation. What I’m saying is that doing so will not solve all of our air/ground control problems. We still have human pilots and humans driving vehicles on the ground. Switching from humans directing landings to machines might improve some things but will not solve for all (and probably not most) risks.

Literally the crash here was caused by a fire truck entering the runway.

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_moofyesterday at 6:37 PM

Changing the delivery method doesn't do anything to solve the problem of a controller sending an instruction that creates a hazard.

cyberaxyesterday at 9:59 PM

What is _really_ needed is a replacement of the archaic narrowband analog FM radio. Where you can't listen and talk at the same time. There are probably at least several dozen accidents where the inability to communicate with an aircraft or a road vehicle was a contributing factor.

I would settle for a good digital system with an ability to issue emergency/priority calls to specific receivers. Oh, and full-duplex communication.

I'm practicing for a sports pilot license, and I really have problems with understanding other pilots and the ATC.