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jimbokunyesterday at 6:08 PM2 repliesview on HN

A lot of those correlate with intelligence and “grit.”

Being good at selling to people absolutely requires intelligence. So do many entertainment fields, and athletic achievement more than you might expect.

Investing consistently in an index fund over 20 years requires a bit of intelligence and a lot of grit.


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triceratopsyesterday at 6:22 PM

I defined intelligence up-front as IQ points. IQ isn't perfect but it's the best single measure of raw cognitive ability we have.

Grit is basically conscientiousness. Conscientiousness is not correlated to intelligence. [1] This is why the stereotype of the dim but methodical plodder exists.

Sales ability is obviously a thing, since there are successful and unsuccessful people. But being able to connect with people (EQ) is crucial to be good at sales. Likeable people make more sales than unlikeable people. Being likeable is orthogonal to IQ.

I'm not denigrating successful entertainers' and athletes' cognitive abilities. They are brilliant in their fields. That's not the necessarily same thing as IQ. I'd expect the IQ distribution among that population be the same as the general population. That means some of them are high-IQ individuals in addition to being world-class singers or swimmers or actors, but most are average IQ.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S10416...

mikkupikkuyesterday at 7:18 PM

> and athletic achievement more than you might expect.

Yeah, it flies in the face of Hollywood's jock/nerd dichotomy, but in my experience there's an awful lot of correlation between honors students and athletic participation. I think the root of it might be good genetics and early life nutrition contributing heavily to both.