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WarOnPrivacyyesterday at 10:53 PM4 repliesview on HN

If we wanted secure products, we wouldn't ban devices. We'd mandate they open their firmware to audits.


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rkangeltoday at 1:38 PM

Not all of the functionality is in the firmware though. You can put stuff in the silicon itself that allows backdoors.

It's very difficult to inspect a laid out chip for nefarious elements - there's too much of it to do manually. Having a secure supply chain is probably the best way to prevent that happening.

Which is not to say that I support this rule - it sounds like another import weapon trump can swing against people who aren't his friends.

clcaevyesterday at 11:19 PM

It'd be great if open firmware could be commercially viable. Finding a business model is hard.

The OpenWRT One [1] sponsored by the Software Conservancy [2] and manufactured by Banana Pi [3] works lovely.

[1] https://openwrt.org/toh/openwrt/one

[2] https://sfconservancy.org/activities/openwrt-one.html

[3] https://docs.banana-pi.org/en/OpenWRT-One/BananaPi_OpenWRT-O...

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vetromtoday at 12:04 AM

You will first probably need Congress to legislate away the long standing prohibitions against offering (easily) user-modifiable RF devices on the market.

Self ownership and full 'right to repair' has carve-outs in the FCC's regulations in the name of limiting unintentional broadcasting/radiation. Maybe a challenge to those would survive in the post-Chevron environment. I wouldn't expect any Congress in the last 25 years to pass a law which would go against the incumbent telecom lobbyist interests though, and I'd expect such a hole if it did hit case law, to get 'patched' fairly quickly.

About the only way to really solve that would be to embarrass vendors enough to open their moats.

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dmitrygryesterday at 10:56 PM

problem is: how do you prove the firmware in the flash chip matches source? And I do not mean me, with a disassembler and a pi pico to read out the flash chip. I mean the 70-yaer-old corner shop owner that buys this router to provide free WiFi for customers?

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